1906 Swiss Military 2nd Variation

Maestro · 11-10-2013, 10:02 PM

Hell, is there supposed to be a stamping at arrow point in the picture?

Ben M. · 11-10-2013, 10:20 PM

the real worry is the broken edges of the breeach block.

the other swiss guns like this one on the simpson web site do not have the extractors stamped with numbers

mrerick · 11-11-2013, 12:12 PM

I have a Swiss DWM 1906 sn 118xx range. Here's what the breech block / extractor look like:

Sergio Natali · 11-11-2013, 12:22 PM

Ordonnanzpistole 1900/06 did not have extractors with serial numbers stamped.

ithacaartist · 11-11-2013, 02:20 PM

Looks like the breech block could be restored, no problem. But meantime, check to see if the conditions that caused it are still there. Not sure what could have fractured it in this way...

mrerick · 11-11-2013, 03:57 PM

Looks like it might have been a pierced primer?

Marc

rhuff · 11-11-2013, 04:16 PM

I would also wonder about a malfitted extractor.

Maestro · 11-12-2013, 01:32 AM

great pickup! thanks.. here's a couple of other shots i received

Maestro · 11-12-2013, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Looks like the breech block could be restored, no problem. But meantime, check to see if the conditions that caused it are still there. Not sure what could have fractured it in this way...

any idea on ball park for restoration of breech block alone?

aldo35 · 11-16-2013, 12:35 PM

Hi,

My local guy restored a breech block with the same problem on a Swiss 06/24 for around $50. He said he wouldn't guarantee it would hold as the metallurgy of the weld and breech are different. It looks nice, but I am not shooting it anymore.

It broke when I was firing some WWII German ammo back in the 60's and sat on a shelf till recently. I since found out that the WWII ammo was " fur maschinepistol ".

Aldo35

Ben M. · 12-06-2013, 10:13 PM

gun is at this outfit. damage is not written up but photo shows it. they say german proofs on left side but they are mistaken

http://www.gunrunnerauctions.com/lis...num=1068235794

ithacaartist · 12-07-2013, 04:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

any idea on ball park for restoration of breech block alone?

$50 sounds like a great deal. I'd allow for up to a couple hundred for the welding--and that would be a deal because of how I'd do it (see below), and if the micro-welding were much more expensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldo35

Hi,

My local guy restored a breech block with the same problem on a Swiss 06/24 for around $50. He said he wouldn't guarantee it would hold as the metallurgy of the weld and breech are different. It looks nice, but I am not shooting it anymore.

It broke when I was firing some WWII German ammo back in the 60's and sat on a shelf till recently. I since found out that the WWII ammo was " fur maschinepistol ".

Aldo35

Ouch! The repair on the breech block could have used filler metal from a donor block that was beyond repair. It's not necessarily fast or cheap to forge your own filler rod, but I think worth it in a case like this. Did he re-blue after the repair was complete?

11-10-2013, 10:02 PM	#1
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	1906 Swiss Military 2nd Variation Hell, is there supposed to be a stamping at arrow point in the picture? Attached Images

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Breech / Extractor of 1906 Swiss DWM I have a Swiss DWM 1906 sn 118xx range. Here's what the breech block / extractor look like: Attached Thumbnails __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Ordonnanzpistole 1900/06 did not have extractors with serial numbers stamped. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Looks like the breech block could be restored, no problem. But meantime, check to see if the conditions that caused it are still there. Not sure what could have fractured it in this way... __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Looks like it might have been a pierced primer? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

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Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	the real worry is the broken edges of the breeach block. the other swiss guns like this one on the simpson web site do not have the extractors stamped with numbers

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rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	I would also wonder about a malfitted extractor.

11-12-2013, 01:32 AM	#8
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	great pickup! thanks.. here's a couple of other shots i received Attached Images

11-16-2013, 12:35 PM	#10
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,223 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Restoring a breech block Hi, My local guy restored a breech block with the same problem on a Swiss 06/24 for around $50. He said he wouldn't guarantee it would hold as the metallurgy of the weld and breech are different. It looks nice, but I am not shooting it anymore. It broke when I was firing some WWII German ammo back in the 60's and sat on a shelf till recently. I since found out that the WWII ammo was " fur maschinepistol ". Aldo35

12-06-2013, 10:13 PM	#11
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 488 Thanks: 90 Thanked 123 Times in 83 Posts	gun is at this outfit. damage is not written up but photo shows it. they say german proofs on left side but they are mistaken http://www.gunrunnerauctions.com/lis...num=1068235794