Id. of Unit Markings

schwob · 03-21-2002, 08:39 PM

I have a 1911 DWM, in about 85%. The grip strap is marked 19 T.S. 2.176. Can anyone please tell me what unit this weapon was from? Many thanx..........

03-21-2002, 09:01 PM

Is the T in script? I believe this is a Train Sanitat, or medical MASH-type unit.

03-21-2002, 10:02 PM

The Mark means:

Train-Bataillon 19,Sanitats-Kompagnie 2,Waffe Nr.176

This translates to:Train Battalion 19,Medical Company

2,Weapon Nr.176

schwob · 03-21-2002, 10:06 PM

Thank you for your help. It's nice to know where such a jewel had been in the past.....

03-21-2002, 10:36 PM

If the "T" was in script, couldn't the T.S. also indicate a telegraph, field signal unit luger ? (Per C. Kenyon's Lugers At Random, on page 118.)

Didn't know if the Poster said "yes' or "no" to the question if the T was in script...

03-21-2002, 11:05 PM

Yes, a scriptic T would indicate a Telegraph Unit.

However,the designation S.A.is Feldsignal-Abteilung or

Field Signal.As per The Imperial German Regimental

Markings by Jeff Noll.

03-21-2002, 11:08 PM

03-22-2002, 12:26 AM

A few dedicated guys did a lot of searching and work and then published the information in a book rather then keeping it secret so other people would know what they had.

Hugh · 03-22-2002, 02:31 AM

I also have a 1911 DWM, with B.3T.S.1.122; I thought that this was a Medical Train marking, if not, what is it?

Aaron · 03-22-2002, 02:57 AM

Was just rummaging through my accumulation of holsters and found one I am unfamiliar with. It appears to be a totally ordinary black P08 holster. The back has the large "P08" stamp. Also on the back is stamped:

OTTO KOBERSTEIN

LANDSBERG a.W

1942

I don't remember ever seeing a holster after 1940 without a wartime manufacturer's code. This has no code and no Waffenampt. Also, I have thusfar not found this manufacturer listed in any of my references. Would it just be an ordinary commercial type?

03-22-2002, 03:07 AM

Looks like a Bavarian Medical Train unit marking to me.

03-22-2002, 10:19 AM

tom · 03-22-2002, 10:49 AM

See Jeff Knoll's German Unit Markings

and Goertz and Bryan, German Markings from Official Sources.

Hope this helps,

Tom

schwob · 03-22-2002, 11:09 AM

The markings on the grip strap are straight capital letters. None are script. If my description is not clear enough I will be glad to submit a picture of the grip strap. Please, tell me your pleasure. Again, many thanx for the info........SCHWOB

03-21-2002, 08:39 PM	#1
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Id. of Unit Markings I have a 1911 DWM, in about 85%. The grip strap is marked 19 T.S. 2.176. Can anyone please tell me what unit this weapon was from? Many thanx..........

03-21-2002, 09:01 PM	#2
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Id. of Unit Markings Is the T in script? I believe this is a Train Sanitat, or medical MASH-type unit.

03-21-2002, 10:02 PM	#3
Tom Lynch Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Id. of Unit Markings The Mark means: Train-Bataillon 19,Sanitats-Kompagnie 2,Waffe Nr.176 This translates to:Train Battalion 19,Medical Company 2,Weapon Nr.176

03-21-2002, 10:06 PM	#4
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Id. of Unit Markings,Thanx Thank you for your help. It's nice to know where such a jewel had been in the past.....

03-21-2002, 10:36 PM	#5
Wm. "Pete" Ebbink Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Id. of Unit Markings If the "T" was in script, couldn't the T.S. also indicate a telegraph, field signal unit luger ? (Per C. Kenyon's Lugers At Random, on page 118.) Didn't know if the Poster said "yes' or "no" to the question if the T was in script...

03-21-2002, 11:05 PM	#6
Tom Lynch Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Id. of Unit Markings Yes, a scriptic T would indicate a Telegraph Unit. However,the designation S.A.is Feldsignal-Abteilung or Field Signal.As per The Imperial German Regimental Markings by Jeff Noll.

03-21-2002, 11:08 PM	#7
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	What books (or whose head ) do you get this

03-22-2002, 12:26 AM	#8
Tracy Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What books (or whose head ) do you get A few dedicated guys did a lot of searching and work and then published the information in a book rather then keeping it secret so other people would know what they had.

03-22-2002, 02:31 AM	#9
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Id. of Unit Markings I also have a 1911 DWM, with B.3T.S.1.122; I thought that this was a Medical Train marking, if not, what is it?

03-22-2002, 02:57 AM	#10
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Holster ID Needed Was just rummaging through my accumulation of holsters and found one I am unfamiliar with. It appears to be a totally ordinary black P08 holster. The back has the large "P08" stamp. Also on the back is stamped: OTTO KOBERSTEIN LANDSBERG a.W 1942 I don't remember ever seeing a holster after 1940 without a wartime manufacturer's code. This has no code and no Waffenampt. Also, I have thusfar not found this manufacturer listed in any of my references. Would it just be an ordinary commercial type?

03-22-2002, 03:07 AM	#11
mlm Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Id. of Unit Markings Looks like a Bavarian Medical Train unit marking to me.

03-22-2002, 10:19 AM	#12
66mustang Guest Posts: n/a	What books have unit ID information? (EOM)

03-22-2002, 10:49 AM	#13
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What books have unit ID information? See Jeff Knoll's German Unit Markings and Goertz and Bryan, German Markings from Official Sources. Hope this helps, Tom

03-22-2002, 11:09 AM	#14
schwob RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Coast of Maine Posts: 273 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Id. of Unit Markings, defined The markings on the grip strap are straight capital letters. None are script. If my description is not clear enough I will be glad to submit a picture of the grip strap. Please, tell me your pleasure. Again, many thanx for the info........SCHWOB