The Finest Collection!

cirelaw · 12-19-2013, 01:20 PM

George Anderson brought it all together. 'Erfurt Po8 sn 4857a dated 1913, unit marked"162.R.11.3" http://gottmituns.net/2012/12/23/the...the-great-war/ And a German version!http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infante...sches)_Nr._162

Jan C Still · 12-19-2013, 06:40 PM

OUTSTANDING!!!
Jan

cirelaw · 12-19-2013, 07:05 PM

Thank You Jan for making all of this possible to everyone~~Eric

roadkill1 · 12-19-2013, 09:53 PM

Eric:

A great and unique display!!

I too cannot say enough about George Anderson. He has and continues to be a most generous and knowledgable mentor and friend.

Ron

Sergio Natali · 12-20-2013, 03:40 AM

Eric,

what can I say, I'm totally lost for words, thanks for sharing.

cirelaw · 12-20-2013, 09:31 AM

Its nice when it all comes together! Its a moment in someones' life!! Again I thank all of those who create, manage, maintain and fund this magnificiant site! I could'nt enjoy as well as life without it!!!! ~~Eric

Freischütz · 12-21-2013, 02:29 PM

That's a terrific display. It has personality - not just some objects.

cirelaw · 12-21-2013, 03:03 PM

George is assisting me to identify the German solgiers who owned and painted the helmut. We know allot from what was hand painted on the inside of his helmut. We know he was a corporal. Its marked "Gefr. Schloo.II.Batl.162" which translate as Corporal Schoo,2nd Battalion, Infantry Regiment 162..I did locate great history of the162nd posted above and I'm still searching and doing luger detective work!...Thank God for George!

Armin · 12-23-2013, 06:14 AM

Eric,
Gefr. is the abbreviation for 'Gefreiter'. This would translate to 'private first class'.
Corporal would be a 'Unteroffizier'.
Merry Chrismas, Armin.

cirelaw · 12-23-2013, 08:50 AM

Amazing!!! TKS, Do you see these painted helmuts in Germany>>

George Anderson · 12-23-2013, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armin

Eric,
Gefr. is the abbreviation for 'Gefreiter'. This would translate to 'private first class'.
Corporal would be a 'Unteroffizier'.
Merry Chrismas, Armin.

Actually a Gefreiter was a lance corporal but the US Army doesn't have that rank.

GySgt1811 · 12-23-2013, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

Actually a Gefreiter was a lance corporal but the US Army doesn't have that rank.

The Corps does. A good LCpl is worth his weight in gold!

Gunny John

PS. Really no point to my post...just runnin' my mouth.

cirelaw · 12-23-2013, 07:08 PM

Its amazing anything survived much less storing such a beautiful human relic for another hundred years. The original possessor I'm sure he wouldn't believe that he and his possesions would be a topic for discussion a centuary later! Lugers more than any other are so iconic and have values more than their monetary worth. Ownership is mearly a right to possession and lugers are a great example. We 'own' for a time and pass them up to others.!! For example George Anderson has a 1913 DWM luger which the inside left grip has the name of the Doughboy who brought the pistol back to Texas and further research on this owner at the time! I consider it "luger Adoption" The helmut made me crave more~~Eric

mauro · 12-24-2013, 04:30 AM

Eric,
Very very good. Congratulations for the nice set.

Cheers,
Mauro

cirelaw · 12-24-2013, 08:51 AM

Thank You Mauro, We are having a traditional Italian seafood Christmas Eve dinner. Debbie bought 32 lobster tails to start. Wish you could join us!!!

mauro · 12-24-2013, 09:02 AM

It should be great join you and Debbie for the Christmas Dinner...
But I am busy here in the raining Belgium

My wife too is preparing something special... I saw some oysters in the kitchen but I prefer waiting for the surprise this evening...

Enjoy!!

Mauro

cirelaw · 12-24-2013, 09:14 AM

We will keep a place open just in case!!!

cirelaw · 12-26-2013, 12:42 PM

When and by whom were individual unit marking applied to the luger and the German dog tag?

Douglas Jr. · 01-01-2014, 07:38 PM

Eric,
This is a beautiful set, for sure, something to comemorate in 2014, as the Great War Centennial will be celebrated.

I did a quick research at the Volksbund site, which is the organization that take care of the German soldiers war graves from both wars. They disclose some basic information regarding all the KIA and MIA personnel listed on their files. My search did ot find ant match for a "Gefreiter Schloo", which points that the original owner of your helmet probably survived the WWI ordeal.

Actually, I found only one guy KIA in WWI, with this surname, Heinrich Schloo, KIA on November 29th, 1917 - but he was a sailor (Bootsmannsmaat) and perished in a sank U-Boat. Other two Schloo listed there died during WWII (one in Stalingrad Kessel).

On the other hand, the name on the dog tag, Karl Zander, left me with a dozen possibilities - already considering the date of birth -as there are 12 casualties from WWI with that exact name but no date of birth available in the Volksbund site.

And happy New Year!

Douglas

cirelaw · 01-01-2014, 08:10 PM

Doug, There is no aspect of luger collecting that I find more exciting and personally rewarding than putting a face to a luger and reintroducing their story. I am really impressed with you and Georges' research! Every luger must tell a story and has its own past! I'm sure none of them who fought so galliantly would every imagine we would be talking about them a hundred years later. I'm so proud of you both! A good time to reintroduce our two friends from the 162nd to the 21st century!!

12-19-2013, 01:20 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The Finest Collection! George Anderson brought it all together. 'Erfurt Po8 sn 4857a dated 1913, unit marked"162.R.11.3" http://gottmituns.net/2012/12/23/the...the-great-war/ And a German version!http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infante...sches)_Nr._162 Attached Thumbnails

12-20-2013, 03:40 AM	#5
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Eric, what can I say, I'm totally lost for words, thanks for sharing. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

12-21-2013, 03:03 PM	#8
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	George is assisting me to identify the German solgiers who owned and painted the helmut. We know allot from what was hand painted on the inside of his helmut. We know he was a corporal. Its marked "Gefr. Schloo.II.Batl.162" which translate as Corporal Schoo,2nd Battalion, Infantry Regiment 162..I did locate great history of the162nd posted above and I'm still searching and doing luger detective work!...Thank God for George! Attached Thumbnails

12-24-2013, 04:30 AM	#14
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Eric, Very very good. Congratulations for the nice set. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-24-2013, 09:02 AM	#16
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	It should be great join you and Debbie for the Christmas Dinner... But I am busy here in the raining Belgium My wife too is preparing something special... I saw some oysters in the kitchen but I prefer waiting for the surprise this evening... Enjoy!! Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-19-2013, 06:40 PM	#2
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	OUTSTANDING!!! Jan

12-19-2013, 07:05 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You Jan for making all of this possible to everyone~~Eric

12-19-2013, 09:53 PM	#4
roadkill1 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 127 Thanks: 166 Thanked 129 Times in 63 Posts	Eric: A great and unique display!! I too cannot say enough about George Anderson. He has and continues to be a most generous and knowledgable mentor and friend. Ron

12-20-2013, 09:31 AM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its nice when it all comes together! Its a moment in someones' life!! Again I thank all of those who create, manage, maintain and fund this magnificiant site! I could'nt enjoy as well as life without it!!!! ~~Eric

12-21-2013, 02:29 PM	#7
Freischütz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 125 Thanks: 9 Thanked 26 Times in 19 Posts	That's a terrific display. It has personality - not just some objects.

12-23-2013, 06:14 AM	#9
Armin User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts	Eric, Gefr. is the abbreviation for 'Gefreiter'. This would translate to 'private first class'. Corporal would be a 'Unteroffizier'. Merry Chrismas, Armin.

12-23-2013, 08:50 AM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Amazing!!! TKS, Do you see these painted helmuts in Germany>>

12-23-2013, 07:08 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Its amazing anything survived much less storing such a beautiful human relic for another hundred years. The original possessor I'm sure he wouldn't believe that he and his possesions would be a topic for discussion a centuary later! Lugers more than any other are so iconic and have values more than their monetary worth. Ownership is mearly a right to possession and lugers are a great example. We 'own' for a time and pass them up to others.!! For example George Anderson has a 1913 DWM luger which the inside left grip has the name of the Doughboy who brought the pistol back to Texas and further research on this owner at the time! I consider it "luger Adoption" The helmut made me crave more~~Eric

12-24-2013, 08:51 AM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You Mauro, We are having a traditional Italian seafood Christmas Eve dinner. Debbie bought 32 lobster tails to start. Wish you could join us!!!

12-24-2013, 09:14 AM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	We will keep a place open just in case!!!

12-26-2013, 12:42 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	When and by whom were individual unit marking applied to the luger and the German dog tag? Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

01-01-2014, 07:38 PM	#19
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Eric, This is a beautiful set, for sure, something to comemorate in 2014, as the Great War Centennial will be celebrated. I did a quick research at the Volksbund site, which is the organization that take care of the German soldiers war graves from both wars. They disclose some basic information regarding all the KIA and MIA personnel listed on their files. My search did ot find ant match for a "Gefreiter Schloo", which points that the original owner of your helmet probably survived the WWI ordeal. Actually, I found only one guy KIA in WWI, with this surname, Heinrich Schloo, KIA on November 29th, 1917 - but he was a sailor (Bootsmannsmaat) and perished in a sank U-Boat. Other two Schloo listed there died during WWII (one in Stalingrad Kessel). On the other hand, the name on the dog tag, Karl Zander, left me with a dozen possibilities - already considering the date of birth -as there are 12 casualties from WWI with that exact name but no date of birth available in the Volksbund site. And happy New Year! Douglas

01-01-2014, 08:10 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Doug, There is no aspect of luger collecting that I find more exciting and personally rewarding than putting a face to a luger and reintroducing their story. I am really impressed with you and Georges' research! Every luger must tell a story and has its own past! I'm sure none of them who fought so galliantly would every imagine we would be talking about them a hundred years later. I'm so proud of you both! A good time to reintroduce our two friends from the 162nd to the 21st century!! Attached Thumbnails