Arty Luger ?

[seamaster123]

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Can anyone tell what this Pistol is only marks are DWM on top of toggle a Serial number on front of receiver eight inch barrel 9 mm with a stock also has a very old western style holster and old cleaning rods ser number 6055 with a letter behind numbers a L or G ??http://s6.photobucket.com/user/horse...ml?sort=6&o=23

[Bill_in_VA]

I'm no P.08 RKI but it looks to be a commercial LP.08 from the lack of military proofs on the right-hand side and the non-fine adjustable rear sight. The bullseye magazine...navy magazine?

[seamaster123]

Just posted a better photo any info on this be a great help when was it made and any value or just a shooter

Thanks Horse gunner

[wlyon]

Would need more pictures and info to tell you much of anything.. Many will say that there were no commercial artilleries. I assume there is no date? Does it show evidence of being scrubbed where date, serial numbers and proofs should be? Are there internal numbers? If you can send more and clear pictures I am sure someone on here can help. The mag. does look like a Navy. Is there a crown M on the wood base? Bill

[sheepherder]

Originally Posted by wlyon

If you can send more and clear pictures I am sure someone on here can help.

I know I can't; none of the pictures are showing up...You are attaching them to your thread, right??? Links to off-forum sites are blocked by corporate/military firewalls and knowledgeable members won't be able to access them...

Dummies like me won't either...

[wlyon]

Rich
I did not get any on this thread. There is one picture under Commercial lugers . Bill

[lugerholsterrepair]

From the one and only pic I can see I am with Bill..should be a lot more markings than those you describe.
The stock is trouble. If it's in the USA I would jerk the iron off and pitch the wood.

[Maestro]

here we go

[DavidJayUden]

Did you understand what Jerry was telling you on the stock? Illegal! Save the metal fittings but discard the wood like your life depended on it. It's too bad but it is the law.
dju

[seamaster123]

I live in Canada do not know of any laws reference the stock will check, there are matching last two numbers of serial numbers on the pistol 55 on various small parts like side plate marked number marked under bottom of small parts. I also found an old Catalogue, with what appears to be the gun with stocks and cleaning rods, going to see if I can find it again. and I think there is a similar one for sale on Gun broker. Any way like to research these old pistols so any help is greatly appreciated

[John Sabato]

Welcome to the Lugerforum. I am glad you live in Canada, because as others have stated, the possession of this stock and that Luger would be a felony here... I can not be certain regarding Canada... so please check.

We would like to see MANY more photographs. Especially of the iron portion of the stock. I have never seen a stock like that one. It is probably a custom creation. If you look at many photographs of Artillery model Lugers with their associated stocks, and other "carbine" style stocks, you should easily see the dramatic difference between the one you have shown us and "normal" Luger stocks...

Without additional close up, in focus, glare-free photographs of the pistol, my judgement is that your Artillery Luger is a refinished military gun, and would be categorized as a "shooter" and not a collectible. My opinion could change based on any additional photos that you can post.

Close ups of the magazine would also be a good idea. If the magazine is, in fact, a WW1 Navy Luger magazine, it is probably worth several hundred dollars to a collector of Navy Lugers.

[wlyon]

Yes there are stocks which are legal and original. But legal is the key word. In the US it must be original or a reproduction of the original. The stock pictured is neither so not legal in the US. I have no idea about Canada. Bill

[Ben M.]

is it illegal to own such a gun and stock or is it illegal to put these 2 pieces together?

[John Sabato]

Originally Posted by Ben M.

is it illegal to own such a gun and stock or is it illegal to put these 2 pieces together?

I am not a lawyer, and don't play one on TV... but I have been around firearms for more than half a century, and known many Class 3 (NFA) firearms owners, and a few outlaws who possessed such things outside the law... until they got caught, or died.

My advice and experience says this...

"is it illegal to own such a gun and stock...?" --- a positive MAYBE.

"is it illegal to put these 2 pieces together?" --- YES...without question, if they have not been registered under the NFA, and the tax stamp has been paid...
(You can't do this registration and tax AFTER you get caught... putting the two pieces together is considered the creation/making of a short barreled rifle. Just the same as sawing off a shotgun barrel to less than 18 inches... or assembling a sawed off barrel onto a shotgun that has interchangeable barrels.)


In the USA, Possession of the pistol alone? No different than any other pistol (under the National Firearms Act of 1934)

Possession of the stock alone?... not an issue... it would be no different than owning a fencepost or a baseball bat.

Possession of both pieces, but not assembled? ...open to intepretation by the law enforcers/prosecutors/courts... and not worth the risk. Why else would you own the two pieces if not to assemble them?

This will be very controversial, and I wouldn't want to be the test of the concept in court.

Since the stock is not legal when attached to ANY Luger, and you would possess this stock, with a Luger, it would/could be interpreted by law enforcement as "constructive intent" to build/assemble a short barreled rifle (SBR) as defined by the National Firearms Act of 1934.

In the same manner that if you possessed all the pieces of a firearm, in a location where firearms are prohibited, would you be found guilty of possessing a firearm in a prohibited area? Very likely. Try carrying all the pieces to a pistol in your carry-on luggage as a test and see if you are not fitted for metal bracelets that are chained together at the other end of airport security...

I would say the chances of being found guilty in either case were greater than being found innocent.

Want to own such a combination? Register the pistol and pay the $200 tax to the BATFE... once you have the tax paid form in your hand, you can own and assemble to your heart's content.

Outside of the USA? (Canada?) its a whole new ballgame... I won't speculate.


...Just my $0.02 --- don't say you weren't warned of the risks involved...

[seamaster123]

Going to post some more photos Since I live in good old Canada the stock is of no importance to me, Have see a few commercials close to this pistol

going to post more photos

[DavidJayUden]

Finish looks nice (original), commercial style numbering, and un-numbered barrel. Is there a flat notch in the top for the artillery sight to lay down in?
Also, do the stock metal numbers match the gun?
Keep those photos coming.
dju

[John Sabato]

One of the reasons I want more photos of the stock and installed iron is that the stock iron is NOT constructed like a standard stock iron... I am intrigued by how it was made and intended to be used.

[lugerholsterrepair]

With the un numbered barrel, hidden serials I would say it was a parts gun made up. New barrel. Is there a Germany marked on it? Is there a date on the chamber?

The serial on the frame looks to have a suffix.

[seamaster123]

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[Maestro]

Originally Posted by seamaster123

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easier if pics are here on forum!!