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John Sabato · 04-16-2002, 05:57 PM

This suffix letter doesn't match the examples in our technical information section...

It is from a piece being auctioned currently on Gunbroker (search for "rare" and you will find it.) The suffix letter on the lower frame under the barrel is identical...

Anyone care to comment on the seller's story about this suffix letter or perhaps have a good reference for this suffix example??

regards,

John Sabato

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/unusualsuffix.jpg

Gilly · 04-16-2002, 06:27 PM

John are you talking about what looks like a NV in cursive? If so both my BW and S/42-36 have that mark on the frame just under the serial number.

Ron Wood · 04-16-2002, 06:28 PM

That is a lower case "r" in the "alte schrift" or old style german script.

Thor · 04-16-2002, 06:48 PM

"r" for rare! lol

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Frank · 04-16-2002, 07:56 PM

Look in Technical Section under suffix, then Suffix 2. Gortz sez it's a "w"

Ron Wood · 04-17-2002, 02:49 AM

Not enough vertical strokes to make it a "w". Still think it is a "r" according to a very obscure reference I have in my files but can't reproduce to post.

04-17-2002, 08:31 AM

This is definately a stylized W, and as far as I know, used only in 1938. Tom h

John Sabato · 04-17-2002, 11:04 AM

It was a great thread, But in this case I think Frank may have found the answer...

I had only looked at the 'n' and 'r' as a possibility... I would never have guessed a 'w'

See the example circled in red taken from Suffix2 of our technical page on markings...

regards all,

John

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/strange-w.jpg

Thor · 04-17-2002, 11:09 AM

Looks like a match to me! Thor

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Ron Wood · 04-17-2002, 12:07 PM

Guess I will throw away my reference.

bill m · 04-17-2002, 04:21 PM

John Sabato · 04-17-2002, 05:36 PM

Here is the link...

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=3659792

Perhaps Tom had a typo error on his post?

-John

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=3659792

Gilly · 04-18-2002, 01:10 PM

What year(s) were the "w" guns? As I previusly stated I have a 36 and a 42 with that stamp. Being new to Lugers I am trying to learn. David

bill m · 04-18-2002, 04:21 PM

Hi David,

Jan Still's book, "Third Reich Lugers" has a fairly accurate chart which will show you the different letter blocks. There is some overlap on some, but for the most part it is real good information. "W" blocks were found in the 1937 S/42, 1939 42, and byf 41 models. -- And the "W" block was also used in the Mauser Banner commercial and police models, but the military and Banner "W"'s are two seperate, distinct blocks.

04-16-2002, 05:57 PM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	An rather unusual suffix letter... This suffix letter doesn't match the examples in our technical information section... It is from a piece being auctioned currently on Gunbroker (search for "rare" and you will find it.) The suffix letter on the lower frame under the barrel is identical... Anyone care to comment on the seller's story about this suffix letter or perhaps have a good reference for this suffix example?? regards, John Sabato http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/unusualsuffix.jpg

04-16-2002, 06:27 PM	#2
Gilly User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bellevue,WA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: An rather unusual suffix letter... John are you talking about what looks like a NV in cursive? If so both my BW and S/42-36 have that mark on the frame just under the serial number.

04-16-2002, 06:28 PM	#3
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Re: An rather unusual suffix letter... That is a lower case "r" in the "alte schrift" or old style german script.

04-16-2002, 06:48 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: An rather unusual suffix letter... "r" for rare! lol Ted's Luger Strawing Service

04-16-2002, 07:56 PM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Re: An rather unusual suffix letter... Look in Technical Section under suffix, then Suffix 2. Gortz sez it's a "w"

04-17-2002, 02:49 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Don't believe Gortz sez its a "w" Not enough vertical strokes to make it a "w". Still think it is a "r" according to a very obscure reference I have in my files but can't reproduce to post.

04-17-2002, 08:31 AM	#7
Tom Heller Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Believe Gortz This is definately a stylized W, and as far as I know, used only in 1938. Tom h

04-17-2002, 11:04 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Thanks for all the responses! It was a great thread, But in this case I think Frank may have found the answer... I had only looked at the 'n' and 'r' as a possibility... I would never have guessed a 'w' See the example circled in red taken from Suffix2 of our technical page on markings... regards all, John http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/strange-w.jpg

04-17-2002, 11:09 AM	#9
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Thanks for all the responses! Looks like a match to me! Thor Ted's Luger Strawing Service

04-17-2002, 12:07 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Looks good to me Guess I will throw away my reference.

04-17-2002, 04:21 PM	#11
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Were no 1938 "w" -- only 1937 (EOM)

04-17-2002, 05:36 PM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Tom H & Bill this gun IS 1937 not 1938... Here is the link... http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=3659792 Perhaps Tom had a typo error on his post? -John http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=3659792

04-18-2002, 01:10 PM	#13
Gilly User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bellevue,WA Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Were no 1938 "w" -- only 1937 What year(s) were the "w" guns? As I previusly stated I have a 36 and a 42 with that stamp. Being new to Lugers I am trying to learn. David

04-18-2002, 04:21 PM	#14
bill m User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"W" blocks Hi David, Jan Still's book, "Third Reich Lugers" has a fairly accurate chart which will show you the different letter blocks. There is some overlap on some, but for the most part it is real good information. "W" blocks were found in the 1937 S/42, 1939 42, and byf 41 models. -- And the "W" block was also used in the Mauser Banner commercial and police models, but the military and Banner "W"'s are two seperate, distinct blocks.