Help please

policeluger · 09-25-2015, 01:57 PM

I've just come into a brown minty ++ holster, but what is brothering me is there is not a date/proof mark anywhere on the thing, pictures will only show a beautiful holster so did not take any any yet.....is this correct for a brown WW1 era, I think, holster.....came with with a very nice 1917 Erfurt gun, but for now just the holster we are going to worry about.....this all will be offered for sale......thanks to all..

John Sabato · 09-25-2015, 02:10 PM

Looking forward to seeing the photos Howard...

policeluger · 09-25-2015, 02:12 PM

I do not know how to load pictures, ??

alanint · 09-25-2015, 02:42 PM

Howard,

Go the "Advanced" section below when replying. It will prompt you to attach photos from your computer or other connected source. If you have digital images on your computer and you know how to find them, (I always move photos I'm going to post to my desktop. It's easier to get to each one that way), you can easily post them.

policeluger · 09-25-2015, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by policeluger

I've just come into a brown minty ++ holster, but what is brothering me is there is not a date/proof mark anywhere on the thing, pictures will only show a beautiful holster so did not take any any yet.....is this correct for a brown WW1 era, I think, holster.....came with with a very nice 1917 Erfurt gun, but for now just the holster we are going to worry about.....this all will be offered for sale......thanks to all..

attached photos

policeluger · 09-25-2015, 08:45 PM

OK after a long struggle on my wife's part here are the pictures.....from what you can see is this an original holster????thanks

policeluger · 09-26-2015, 01:44 PM

OK eveybody, went through heck to learn how to post the pictures you wanted.....now please grade holster.....thanks......

DonVoigt · 09-26-2015, 02:18 PM

Well, you need to go through a little more heck, and post more pictures, like of the inside of the top flap and hinge area.

Be patient, the experts will be along.

I don't like the leather or the color, but it is much easier to spot a
repro than confirm an original.

I don't know what you have, sorry.

policeluger · 09-26-2015, 03:48 PM

I've sold more Luger stuff with fewer, and sometimes none, pictures.....you guys have asked for everything but a DNA test......consider it sold.

Sergio Natali · 09-26-2015, 03:57 PM

Howard

Respectfully, I think that here people asked you for more pictures simply to give you the best possible help.

Best regards

Sergio

policeluger · 09-26-2015, 04:00 PM

thanks, it's OK lets move on......

Ron Wood · 09-26-2015, 04:39 PM

Howard,
I for one appreciate the effort you put in to posting photos. From the two photos you have managed to post, it is still difficult for folks to determine what you have. Photos of the inside, particularly of the top ("lid" and tool pouch) might help. From what I can see from a non-expert opinion, it appears that there is a combination of machine and hand stitching, so it comes down to the fine details to judge original from repro.
At this point I am inclined to think it may be an original period example. But the lack of any maker marks and a few indications of machine construction makes final conclusions difficult. Please do not consider the lack of response to your query as indifference...it is just a hard call.
Ron

DonVoigt · 09-26-2015, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by policeluger

I've sold more Luger stuff with fewer, and sometimes none, pictures.....you guys have asked for everything but a DNA test......consider it sold.

So have we all, no need for the attitude. JMHO.

George Anderson · 09-27-2015, 09:51 AM

Howard, it appears to be a pre WWI officer private purchase or commercial holster. I have a few like it with no markings.

policeluger · 09-27-2015, 11:05 AM

pm sent......thanks

wlyon · 09-27-2015, 11:12 AM

My best guess would be a commercial holster. Bill

zinfull · 09-27-2015, 12:45 PM

This is why I like this forum. I would have not given this holster a second look and called it a repo. The tool marks and vertical belt loops looks like some cheap knock off. I will have to research the commercial side of the holsters. Thanks

lugerholsterrepair · 09-27-2015, 02:13 PM

thanks, it's OK lets move on......Well that saves me a lot of trouble! Thanks!

DavidJayUden · 09-27-2015, 04:14 PM

C'mon Jerry, I've been waiting 2 days for your opinion...
dju

lugerholsterrepair · 09-27-2015, 04:25 PM

It's a horrible fake. Howard, I know you don't care to know the truth as you say you have sold it..but I bet the thread will glow neon in blacklight. There are an even dozen reasons why this OK looking holster at first..turns out to be made recently. I am pretty busy working on real holsters..if it were someone who posted who is looking for real knowledge..I would take the time but not for someone with an attitude who doesn't care.

09-25-2015, 01:57 PM	#1
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Help please I've just come into a brown minty ++ holster, but what is brothering me is there is not a date/proof mark anywhere on the thing, pictures will only show a beautiful holster so did not take any any yet.....is this correct for a brown WW1 era, I think, holster.....came with with a very nice 1917 Erfurt gun, but for now just the holster we are going to worry about.....this all will be offered for sale......thanks to all..

09-25-2015, 02:10 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Looking forward to seeing the photos Howard... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-26-2015, 03:57 PM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Howard Respectfully, I think that here people asked you for more pictures simply to give you the best possible help. Best regards Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-26-2015, 04:39 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Howard, I for one appreciate the effort you put in to posting photos. From the two photos you have managed to post, it is still difficult for folks to determine what you have. Photos of the inside, particularly of the top ("lid" and tool pouch) might help. From what I can see from a non-expert opinion, it appears that there is a combination of machine and hand stitching, so it comes down to the fine details to judge original from repro. At this point I am inclined to think it may be an original period example. But the lack of any maker marks and a few indications of machine construction makes final conclusions difficult. Please do not consider the lack of response to your query as indifference...it is just a hard call. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-27-2015, 11:12 AM	#16
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,637 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,561 Times in 956 Posts	My best guess would be a commercial holster. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-25-2015, 02:12 PM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I do not know how to load pictures, ??

09-25-2015, 02:42 PM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Howard, Go the "Advanced" section below when replying. It will prompt you to attach photos from your computer or other connected source. If you have digital images on your computer and you know how to find them, (I always move photos I'm going to post to my desktop. It's easier to get to each one that way), you can easily post them.

09-25-2015, 08:45 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	OK after a long struggle on my wife's part here are the pictures.....from what you can see is this an original holster????thanks

09-26-2015, 01:44 PM	#7
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	OK eveybody, went through heck to learn how to post the pictures you wanted.....now please grade holster.....thanks......

09-26-2015, 02:18 PM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Well, you need to go through a little more heck, and post more pictures, like of the inside of the top flap and hinge area. Be patient, the experts will be along. I don't like the leather or the color, but it is much easier to spot a repro than confirm an original. I don't know what you have, sorry.

09-26-2015, 03:48 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	I've sold more Luger stuff with fewer, and sometimes none, pictures.....you guys have asked for everything but a DNA test......consider it sold.

09-26-2015, 04:00 PM	#11
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	thanks, it's OK lets move on......

09-27-2015, 09:51 AM	#14
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Howard, it appears to be a pre WWI officer private purchase or commercial holster. I have a few like it with no markings.

09-27-2015, 11:05 AM	#15
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	pm sent......thanks

09-27-2015, 12:45 PM	#17
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 243 Thanks: 5 Thanked 33 Times in 16 Posts	This is why I like this forum. I would have not given this holster a second look and called it a repo. The tool marks and vertical belt loops looks like some cheap knock off. I will have to research the commercial side of the holsters. Thanks

09-27-2015, 02:13 PM	#18
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	thanks, it's OK lets move on......Well that saves me a lot of trouble! Thanks! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-27-2015, 04:14 PM	#19
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	C'mon Jerry, I've been waiting 2 days for your opinion... dju

09-27-2015, 04:25 PM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	It's a horrible fake. Howard, I know you don't care to know the truth as you say you have sold it..but I bet the thread will glow neon in blacklight. There are an even dozen reasons why this OK looking holster at first..turns out to be made recently. I am pretty busy working on real holsters..if it were someone who posted who is looking for real knowledge..I would take the time but not for someone with an attitude who doesn't care. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."