Bolt Hold Open.

pauly · 11-26-2015, 08:59 AM

I have an early Commercial DWM with a non functioning bolt hold open. I saw that Sarco has latch's for $60.00. Should I get a replacement or try to re work the original?
I had posted pic's in a earlier thread on this same topic. Have not gotten around to taking it apart to have a look.
Thanks

Happy Thanksgiving.

seaburry · 11-26-2015, 09:20 AM

One on my hold opens had old oil hardened on the metal surrounding the device that needed serious cleaning to function properly. It didnt look that bad and the hold open had to be removed. This may not be applicable in your sitituation but worth a mention... Gobble gobble

DavidJayUden · 11-26-2015, 09:52 AM

Seems to me that attempting to get yours working is the best first step. Can you raise it manually with your fingers or a small screwdriver? Remove it, inspect it, clean it, and don't forget that it is the magazine that actually makes it all go, so even the magazine needs to be examined.
I haven't seen the Sarco parts but they are generally a bit rough and requiring fitting anyway. You will not save any time, or money, by immediately going to the Sarco part.
dju

padredan · 11-26-2015, 10:19 AM

I agree, remove and clean the bolt hold open first . I have had this happen before on a couple of mine and a good cleaning fixed them right up . good luck

Lugerdoc · 11-26-2015, 11:07 AM

Pauly, I do have the NOS unnumbered Swiss M29 hold opens with spring installed @$60 (these may require minor fitting for your PO8) or a few numbered German made ones @$75, if you are attempting to match it up to the rest of your luger. Tom

pauly · 11-26-2015, 11:47 AM

Thanks for the replies. Looks like I need to take mine apart and check it out first. Tom I'll keep your offer in mind.
I am new to Lugers, and I want to do the right thing. As a former toolmaker I really appreciate the work that went into these pistols.

Mine is all matching mid 4000 range with an original magazine, I also picked up a MecGar<SP? mag. I'd like to shoot it one time and then put it away.

ithacaartist · 11-27-2015, 03:10 AM

Sounds good, now we need to see some pics!

pauly · 11-27-2015, 09:06 AM

ithacaartist,
I have several pics in my previous post dated 8/28 and titled 9mm mags.

hayhugh · 11-27-2015, 11:29 AM

This one? http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...light=9mm+mags

pauly · 11-27-2015, 12:32 PM

The one right above it has the photos.

pauly · 11-27-2015, 12:36 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1440525089
Lets see if this works?

pauly · 11-27-2015, 12:41 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1440525041

Second photo.

mrerick · 11-27-2015, 05:29 PM

What is the actual problem? Could it be a broken / missing hold open spring? Dirt? A fit problem with the magazine button (there were some very early dimensional changes with the M1900 magazine well - don't have my books here to see when the transition took place)...

DonVoigt · 11-27-2015, 06:26 PM

If you are only going to shoot it "one time", why bother?

The hold open does not have to work to fire, neither do you need a new magazine.

If cleaning and lubrication does not "fix it", I'd fire it once or 8 times or what ever, clean it and put it away.

pauly · 11-27-2015, 06:57 PM

I took the right hand grip off and had a look. It appears that the hold open lever is cracked? When I pushed up on the lever the bolt stayed open.

DavidJayUden · 11-27-2015, 08:14 PM

Let's see a photo of the crack. Silver solder?
dju

pauly · 11-27-2015, 09:20 PM

Ugh I keep getting an invalid file error. No pics for now.

pauly · 11-27-2015, 10:05 PM

http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1448675692

Here is a pic of the bolt hold open link. It appears to be cracked.

pauly · 01-02-2016, 02:15 PM

Well I finally took the pistol apart and I am able to confirm that the bolt hold open is indeed cracked. Right at the hole/slot for the spring. Have already sent Lugerdoc an email.
Thanks everyone.
Paul

11-26-2015, 08:59 AM	#1
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Bolt Hold Open. I have an early Commercial DWM with a non functioning bolt hold open. I saw that Sarco has latch's for $60.00. Should I get a replacement or try to re work the original? I had posted pic's in a earlier thread on this same topic. Have not gotten around to taking it apart to have a look. Thanks Happy Thanksgiving.

11-26-2015, 10:19 AM	#4
padredan User Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: louisiana Now, but from the Rebublic of Texas Posts: 937 Thanks: 429 Thanked 316 Times in 182 Posts	I agree, remove and clean the bolt hold open first . I have had this happen before on a couple of mine and a good cleaning fixed them right up . good luck __________________ In this world nothing is free, except the grace of God

11-26-2015, 11:07 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Pauly, I do have the NOS unnumbered Swiss M29 hold opens with spring installed @$60 (these may require minor fitting for your PO8) or a few numbered German made ones @$75, if you are attempting to match it up to the rest of your luger. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

11-27-2015, 03:10 AM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Sounds good, now we need to see some pics! __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

11-27-2015, 12:36 PM	#11
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1440525089 Lets see if this works? Last edited by pauly; 11-27-2015 at 12:40 PM. Reason: Sesond post did not work.

11-26-2015, 09:20 AM	#2
seaburry Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 15 Thanks: 88 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts	One on my hold opens had old oil hardened on the metal surrounding the device that needed serious cleaning to function properly. It didnt look that bad and the hold open had to be removed. This may not be applicable in your sitituation but worth a mention... Gobble gobble

11-26-2015, 09:52 AM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Seems to me that attempting to get yours working is the best first step. Can you raise it manually with your fingers or a small screwdriver? Remove it, inspect it, clean it, and don't forget that it is the magazine that actually makes it all go, so even the magazine needs to be examined. I haven't seen the Sarco parts but they are generally a bit rough and requiring fitting anyway. You will not save any time, or money, by immediately going to the Sarco part. dju

11-26-2015, 11:47 AM	#6
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Thanks for the replies. Looks like I need to take mine apart and check it out first. Tom I'll keep your offer in mind. I am new to Lugers, and I want to do the right thing. As a former toolmaker I really appreciate the work that went into these pistols. Mine is all matching mid 4000 range with an original magazine, I also picked up a MecGar<SP? mag. I'd like to shoot it one time and then put it away.

11-27-2015, 09:06 AM	#8
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	ithacaartist, I have several pics in my previous post dated 8/28 and titled 9mm mags.

11-27-2015, 11:29 AM	#9
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	This one? http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...light=9mm+mags

11-27-2015, 12:32 PM	#10
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	The one right above it has the photos.

11-27-2015, 12:41 PM	#12
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1440525041 Second photo.

11-27-2015, 05:29 PM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	What is the actual problem? Could it be a broken / missing hold open spring? Dirt? A fit problem with the magazine button (there were some very early dimensional changes with the M1900 magazine well - don't have my books here to see when the transition took place)... __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

11-27-2015, 06:26 PM	#14
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	If you are only going to shoot it "one time", why bother? The hold open does not have to work to fire, neither do you need a new magazine. If cleaning and lubrication does not "fix it", I'd fire it once or 8 times or what ever, clean it and put it away.

11-27-2015, 06:57 PM	#15
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	I took the right hand grip off and had a look. It appears that the hold open lever is cracked? When I pushed up on the lever the bolt stayed open.

11-27-2015, 08:14 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Let's see a photo of the crack. Silver solder? dju

11-27-2015, 09:20 PM	#17
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Ugh I keep getting an invalid file error. No pics for now.

11-27-2015, 10:05 PM	#18
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	http://forum.lugerforum.com/attachme...1&d=1448675692 Here is a pic of the bolt hold open link. It appears to be cracked. Last edited by pauly; 11-27-2015 at 10:06 PM. Reason: Add text

01-02-2016, 02:15 PM	#19
pauly User Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 94 Thanks: 269 Thanked 45 Times in 25 Posts	Well I finally took the pistol apart and I am able to confirm that the bolt hold open is indeed cracked. Right at the hole/slot for the spring. Have already sent Lugerdoc an email. Thanks everyone. Paul