Pebblegrain arty holster?

Angus Magnus · 12-09-2015, 10:46 AM

Whats the story with that type of holster in the for sale section?

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...125#post281125

JTD · 12-09-2015, 11:08 AM

It is an early (probably 1915? if dated) and very un-common variation in fantastic shape.

George Anderson · 12-09-2015, 11:23 AM

Made in Bavaria in 1915, they are frequently found with 1914 dated Erfurt Artilleries.

Angus Magnus · 12-09-2015, 11:42 AM

Very neat look. I don't think I've seen a picture of one before.
Was this some sort of efficiency or cost saving measure that didn't work as well as expected?

I have most of an Erfurt 1914 artillery. Has WW2 era arsenal rebuild markings on it.
Is it also rare?

Angus Magnus · 12-09-2015, 12:03 PM

https://goo.gl/photos/YJuehCQqVfuczN997

https://goo.gl/photos/oEp5wxRjb2UZP5149

ithacaartist · 12-09-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

...I have most of an Erfurt 1914 artillery...Is it also rare?

Aaron, since all Erfurt Artys were made that year, I think not particularly rare. 'Most of" because of the ground-off stock lug? Very nice shape otherwise, and the adjustable front sight is a nice feature. I have a DWM without the lug...but I also bought from G.T. a chunk of rear frame with an intact lug that is destined to migrate to my gun some day.

sheepherder · 12-09-2015, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

Was this some sort of efficiency or cost saving measure that didn't work as well as expected?

When I was in Germany I made the typical Yank tourist mistake of ordering a 'hamburger'...And that is what I got. What I wanted was a 'beefburger', and there is a big difference.

When I asked about this I was told that beef [cattle] were not as common as in America, so ham [from hogs] was more common. So jackets, purses, shoes, etc were more commonly made from pigskin than cowhide.

I would assume this also applied to holsters.

The Bundeswehr Luftwaffe flight jacket I brought back was pigskin as well. Dyed gray.

Angus Magnus · 12-09-2015, 12:59 PM

Actually "half of" would be more correct than "most of". The stock lug is present.

The lower half is all matching, including magazine. The upper half is also matching to itself. I guess someone at some point disassembled two guns and reassembled the wrong parts. Maybe part of that rearsenal-izing?

Angus Magnus · 12-09-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

When I was in Germany I made the typical Yank tourist mistake of ordering a 'hamburger'...And that is what I got. What I wanted was a 'beefburger', and there is a big difference.

When I asked about this I was told that beef [cattle] were not as common as in America, so ham [from hogs] was more common. So jackets, purses, shoes, etc were more commonly made from pigskin than cowhide.

I would assume this also applied to holsters.

The Bundeswehr Luftwaffe flight jacket I brought back was pigskin as well. Dyed gray.

I would tend to agree with you, but if that was so, wouldn't there be more pigskin luger holsters than regular ones?

Last time I told my Belgian mother in law I was in the mood for a steak I didn't specify beef. Horse isn't bad, just not as good...

sheepherder · 12-09-2015, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Angus Magnus

I would tend to agree with you, but if that was so, wouldn't there be more pigskin luger holsters than regular ones?

Last time I told my Belgian mother in law I was in the mood for a steak I didn't specify beef. Horse isn't bad, just not as good...

I think you nailed it; they're likely horsehide. Several of my USAF flight jackets are horsehide; it depends on the maker whether horse or steer.

George Anderson · 12-09-2015, 03:54 PM

The vast majority of all WWI & WWII German military leather goods were made with calf skin. Pig skin items are quite rare. In 1915 MARS in Berlin made a small number of pebble grain artillery holsters. The most common of these are pebble grain calf with damn few made of pig skin like the holster offered here for sale.

Norme · 12-09-2015, 04:39 PM

Pebble grain calf was used for Navy holsters too. Here are a couple of mine.
Norm

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	Made in Bavaria in 1915, they are frequently found with 1914 dated Erfurt Artilleries.

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Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Very neat look. I don't think I've seen a picture of one before. Was this some sort of efficiency or cost saving measure that didn't work as well as expected? I have most of an Erfurt 1914 artillery. Has WW2 era arsenal rebuild markings on it. Is it also rare?

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Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	https://goo.gl/photos/YJuehCQqVfuczN997 https://goo.gl/photos/oEp5wxRjb2UZP5149

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Angus Magnus User Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Miami Posts: 133 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 16 Posts	Actually "half of" would be more correct than "most of". The stock lug is present. The lower half is all matching, including magazine. The upper half is also matching to itself. I guess someone at some point disassembled two guns and reassembled the wrong parts. Maybe part of that rearsenal-izing?

12-09-2015, 03:54 PM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	The vast majority of all WWI & WWII German military leather goods were made with calf skin. Pig skin items are quite rare. In 1915 MARS in Berlin made a small number of pebble grain artillery holsters. The most common of these are pebble grain calf with damn few made of pig skin like the holster offered here for sale.