Swiss 1906 Rebuild

OIF2 · 01-24-2016, 02:06 PM

Here's a new one that came my way as a gift for helping to liquidate an estate. Looks to be a rebuild (it's in 9mm), but probably not refinished. Bore is very nice. It came with 2 German WWII-era magazines. On the bottom of the barrel, below the "7079" and "m"-looking marking is "8.82". Stocks are in very good condition. Other than finding an appropriate Swiss magazine and maybe replacing the buggered-up grip screws, I'll leave it alone. Any thoughts on the 9mm conversion, build date, markings and anything else is mucho appreciated. Shooter-grade maybe, but a nice shooter.
Bob

DonVoigt · 01-24-2016, 02:59 PM

Welcome,

You have a nice shooter, it looks like a 1916 DWM upper on the Swiss lower.
The Swiss is a long frame, which is why it extends past the receiver of the "short" upper assembly.

I do belive the side plate is from a P 08, and not the Swiss type.

OIF2 · 01-24-2016, 03:10 PM

Thanks, Don. Sideplate is marked with an upside-down "43", which is the last two of the serial number. Should be Swiss. Having fun figuring out the story on this.
Bob

mrerick · 01-24-2016, 03:13 PM

The legally correct serial number for your pistol is the one on the frame, 16643.

If you encounter cycling problems when shooting this, it may relate to the recoil spring, which was originally installed for use with a 7.65mm / .30 Luger upper with a longer barrel.

Both the frame and the toggle train in your pistol are from the Swiss gun. I can't remember if the longer frame affects the position of the receiver on the frame, or if this ends up changing the timing when the gun is fired and cycled.

Have you shot it yet?

Marc

OIF2 · 01-24-2016, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mrerick

The legally correct serial number for your pistol is the one on the frame, 16643.

If you encounter cycling problems when shooting this, it may relate to the recoil spring, which was originally installed for use with a 7.65mm / .30 Luger upper with a longer barrel.

Both the frame and the toggle train in your pistol are from the Swiss gun. I can't remember if the longer frame affects the position of the receiver on the frame, or if this ends up changing the timing when the gun is fired and cycled.

Have you shot it yet?

Marc

Hi Marc
Going to try it out tomorrow with USGI 9mm M882 ball. Magazines are a blued-body fxo, marked "S/42" and a bright aluminum body, small "k", marked with an eagle over a "63". Should be fun.
Bob

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2016, 05:22 PM

Bob, is M882 Nato loaded ammo? If so, IMHO it is too strong for a luger.

Something more mid-ranged like Winchester white box is what I like to use...

OIF2 · 01-24-2016, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Bob, is M882 Nato loaded ammo? If so, IMHO it is too strong for a luger.

Something more mid-ranged like Winchester white box is what I like to use...

Roger that. I'll try some Atlanta Arms 115 grain ball then. It's pretty mild. Thanks for the heads-up; I always thought Lugers were tolerant of warm ammo.
Bob

Edward Tinker · 01-24-2016, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OIF2

Roger that. I'll try some Atlanta Arms 115 grain ball then. It's pretty mild. Thanks for the heads-up; I always thought Lugers were tolerant of warm ammo.
Bob

Lots and lots of folks will tell you that - I have found that mine like it mid-range and are picky - i.e. they need proper OAL (length) and a good round FMJ

aldo35 · 01-24-2016, 06:33 PM

The pictures appear to show the receiver slightly recessed. I think this indicates that the frame is an older long frame.

Ron Wood · 01-24-2016, 07:37 PM

Good eye Joseph. Don Voigt had already made that identification (post #2). The toggle train, frame and grips are from a Swiss Waffenfabrik Bern manufactured gun, probably around 1919, while the receiver is 1916 DWM

OIF2 · 01-24-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Good eye Joseph. Don Voigt had already made that identification (post #2). The toggle train, frame and grips are from a Swiss Waffenfabrik Bern manufactured gun, probably around 1919, while the receiver is 1916 DWM

Thanks Ron. Good stuff; it'll be interesting how this one shoots tomorrow.
Bob

Sergio Natali · 01-25-2016, 07:47 AM

I've just seen the thread, not much worth adding really.
Nice gun, interesting matching, probably a nice shooter too!

01-24-2016, 02:06 PM	#1
OIF2 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 83 Thanks: 133 Thanked 73 Times in 25 Posts	Swiss 1906 Rebuild Here's a new one that came my way as a gift for helping to liquidate an estate. Looks to be a rebuild (it's in 9mm), but probably not refinished. Bore is very nice. It came with 2 German WWII-era magazines. On the bottom of the barrel, below the "7079" and "m"-looking marking is "8.82". Stocks are in very good condition. Other than finding an appropriate Swiss magazine and maybe replacing the buggered-up grip screws, I'll leave it alone. Any thoughts on the 9mm conversion, build date, markings and anything else is mucho appreciated. Shooter-grade maybe, but a nice shooter. Bob

01-24-2016, 03:13 PM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	The legally correct serial number for your pistol is the one on the frame, 16643. If you encounter cycling problems when shooting this, it may relate to the recoil spring, which was originally installed for use with a 7.65mm / .30 Luger upper with a longer barrel. Both the frame and the toggle train in your pistol are from the Swiss gun. I can't remember if the longer frame affects the position of the receiver on the frame, or if this ends up changing the timing when the gun is fired and cycled. Have you shot it yet? Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-24-2016, 05:22 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Bob, is M882 Nato loaded ammo? If so, IMHO it is too strong for a luger. Something more mid-ranged like Winchester white box is what I like to use... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-24-2016, 06:33 PM	#9
aldo35 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Northern GA Posts: 343 Thanks: 2,229 Thanked 146 Times in 76 Posts	Frame The pictures appear to show the receiver slightly recessed. I think this indicates that the frame is an older long frame.

01-24-2016, 07:37 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Good eye Joseph. Don Voigt had already made that identification (post #2). The toggle train, frame and grips are from a Swiss Waffenfabrik Bern manufactured gun, probably around 1919, while the receiver is 1916 DWM __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-24-2016, 02:59 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Welcome, You have a nice shooter, it looks like a 1916 DWM upper on the Swiss lower. The Swiss is a long frame, which is why it extends past the receiver of the "short" upper assembly. I do belive the side plate is from a P 08, and not the Swiss type. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-24-2016, 03:10 PM	#3
OIF2 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 83 Thanks: 133 Thanked 73 Times in 25 Posts	Thanks, Don. Sideplate is marked with an upside-down "43", which is the last two of the serial number. Should be Swiss. Having fun figuring out the story on this. Bob

01-25-2016, 07:47 AM	#12
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I've just seen the thread, not much worth adding really. Nice gun, interesting matching, probably a nice shooter too! __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.