Shooting a Mauser K98k

alvin · 02-21-2016, 09:02 AM

I've only played Yugo M48 -- it's the most inaccurate bolt action rifle that I have ever played -- although that M48 sample was in great condtion. But still have interest to find and shoot a genuine Mauser k98 in future. So I found this video interesting and fun:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2HwrEDjSf8

Sergio Natali · 02-21-2016, 01:55 PM

Alvin

Out of experience K98K are not among the best range guns, look for a Persian Mauser instead.

Best.

alvin · 02-21-2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

Alvin

Out of experience K98K are not among the best range guns, look for a Persian Mauser instead.

Best.

Thanks for suggestion. Almost forgot Persian, Persian is also 8mm caliber. I will look for one. These rifles are like pistols, finding one is easy, but finding a great one is not easy.

Saw a prewar standard model of 1930s in great condition last year, but I don't know much about it, and its price tag was not an amount that I can buy without knowing much.. so I gave up that chance.

OIF2 · 02-21-2016, 05:40 PM

This one has been pretty good, after a higher front sight was found. It shoots the old 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt soft points into nice groups at 100 meters. Steyr '42, all-matched.
Bob

alvin · 02-21-2016, 06:50 PM

Curious, is this bnz's stock sanded and reoiled?

OIF2 · 02-21-2016, 09:09 PM

I don't think so, but I may be wrong.
Bob

Sergio Natali · 02-22-2016, 06:15 AM

I think that stock has been refinished, still quite nice also I prefer solid walnut ones.

Alvin

I don't know what it's like in the States but with for instance here with some patience you can still find Persian Mausers (made by CZ) practically in mint conditions.
I had one many years ago, and it was the only ex-service bolt action rifle precise enough for some decent long range shooting.

Best.

alvin · 02-22-2016, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

I don't know what it's like in the States but with for instance here with some patience you can still find Persian Mausers (made by CZ) practically in mint conditions.

Yes. But need to wait a chance.

Last year, I saw a pair of consecutively numbered Persian Mauser in unissued mint condition for sale. Newly imported by Century Arms, listed by a retailer. Although having CAI's marking, they were hot. The pair sold $2700 (?) if I remembered right.

Since I am not a collector of rifles, consecutively numbered mint pair is too luxury for me, so I did not bid. I bet there are more individual nice ones.

DonVoigt · 02-22-2016, 09:13 AM

Yes,
there are a lot of really nice Persians around, rifles that is.

You really should be reading the K98 forum if you want to delve into this "minefield".

K98s are as bad or worse than lugers for "boosting".

alanint · 02-22-2016, 09:50 AM

Years ago I purchased a minty Persian Mauser with matching bayonet here locally from Samco.

For a production rifle the workmanship, finish and overall quality was superb. I paid a then princely sum of $750 for both rifle and bayonet and got to choose "best of the lot" at Samco's showroom.

I later traded it even for a 454 Casull with a 7.5" barrel. I thought I did well at the time, as the revolver was listed at $1,500, but in retrospect, I should have kept the Mauser.

Sergio Natali · 02-22-2016, 04:01 PM

The one all matching pictured below for sale at a gunshop not too far from where I live, would cost the equivalent of about 1800.00 $

Best.

alvin · 02-23-2016, 09:02 AM

Does this one look correct?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=543951948

It has importer stamp, probably CAI. How is the price range in the US context? No bayonet.

John Sabato · 02-23-2016, 09:33 AM

My father sent back two 98K rifles from the battlefield sometime in 1944. One was given to a brother who was rated 4F and didn't get to serve during WW2. The other was given to my mother's brother. I never got to see that one. The one that remained close came home with a mismatched bolt, but it had a VERY smooth action. I was amazed at how well I could hit random targets out to 200 meters with the open sights. I wish it were still in my possession, but it now belongs to the son (first cousin) of the brother he gave it to.

Interesting story my father told of how the rifles came home. They had just taken a town and were told that they could stand down for a day before they would go back into the battle. Word came down that if anyone had any souveniers that they wanted to send home, they could do as long as it was done quickly... and prepared for shipment. My father didn't miss the chance so he just went out to the street and took two 98K rifles from their previous owners. He was standing in front of a fabric store. He went in and grabbed the first bolt of material he could find that was wide enough to wrap the rifles to protect them. He said he used yards and yards of material to provide sufficient packing and tied the parcel up with heavy twine. He tagged it to be shipped to his home in West Virginia, and delivered it to his supply sergeant for shipping... and never gave it a second thought.

Once home after the war, he was relating the story of being in that town to his family and remembered that he had shipped the rifles home when he saw that the fabric he had used to wrap them had been used by my grandmother to make curtains and furniture covers. He asked his mother if the rifles had made it home, and she said yes, but didn't remember what happened to them... then my grandfather told him that she didn't want them in the house so he took them out to barn and hung them on a nail. They were still hanging on that nail when he went out to barn. They hadn't even rusted...

I find it amazing that they even survived the journey as I am sure such items were highly prized as trophies...

alvin · 02-24-2016, 08:54 PM

Already have another guy bidding on that fancy Persian Mauser.... but still many days left. Bookmarked, I will wait last minute ..

Sergio Natali · 02-25-2016, 04:18 AM

alvin

Please keep up informed how it went, and good luck.

alvin · 02-27-2016, 09:30 PM

Missed this one:

"EXCELLENT CZ MODEL 98/29 PERSIAN CONTRACT MAUSER Excellent and desirable BRNO CZ Model 98/29 Persian Contract Mauser rifle, complete with matching bayonet and original 1934 document, and slings. All matching numbers in Farsi, including bayonet. Persian crest on receiver. No import marks. Original factory document shows test fire shots, and original information in Czech on left side, and Farsi on right side. A very rare and complete example of its kind. Serial Number: 04544. Condition: Immaculate unissued condition, 99% bluing, and bright polish to stock, appearing unfired since factory test fire in 1934. Bayonet also in mint unissued condition. Document is nicely preserved in rigid sleeve protector. "

It's sold $1700. I hesitated due to (1) no importer stamp is weird, could be dealer sample but also could be removed by someone,,,, and (2) previous consecutively numbered pair sold $2700 also impacted me. I was calculating that pair was $2700, then how much should be this one... Decision had to be made in 3 seconds, so I missed.

Sergio Natali · 02-28-2016, 04:34 AM

alvin

I realize it's always difficult in an auction, it's often a matter of luck.
Not too far from where I live there a couple of (smallish) gunshops that qute often have in stock old service guns for sale, so sometimes especially on Saturdays I like paying a call.

abukafura · 02-28-2016, 01:12 PM

John Sabato----Great story and thanks for relating it for all of us.

alvin · 03-07-2016, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luger.parabellum

alvin

I realize it's always difficult in an auction, it's often a matter of luck.
Not too far from where I live there a couple of (smallish) gunshops that qute often have in stock old service guns for sale, so sometimes especially on Saturdays I like paying a call.

No problem. You suggested Persian Mauser, and I found two mint guns to bid in merely 2 weeks, that implies they are very available.

I bid $1075 on this GB one. I think it should come. Only 1 minute left, I am watching it

No bayonet, so it's $600 cheaper than the previous missed one.

Here is the recent US market price of 8mm Persian Mauser:

-- mint gun without bayonet, $1075
-- mint gun with matching bayonet, $1770
-- mint pair consecutively numbered, no bayonet, $2700+

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This one is too nice to shoot. I have a Persian Mauser pistol in VG shape. This rifle can sit next to that pistol, they carry same crest.

Sergio Natali · 03-08-2016, 04:53 AM

Alvin

Good luck I keep my fingers crossed for you.

Best.

02-21-2016, 09:02 AM	#1
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Shooting a Mauser K98k I've only played Yugo M48 -- it's the most inaccurate bolt action rifle that I have ever played -- although that M48 sample was in great condtion. But still have interest to find and shoot a genuine Mauser k98 in future. So I found this video interesting and fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2HwrEDjSf8

02-21-2016, 01:55 PM	#2
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin Out of experience K98K are not among the best range guns, look for a Persian Mauser instead. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-22-2016, 06:15 AM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	I think that stock has been refinished, still quite nice also I prefer solid walnut ones. Alvin I don't know what it's like in the States but with for instance here with some patience you can still find Persian Mausers (made by CZ) practically in mint conditions. I had one many years ago, and it was the only ex-service bolt action rifle precise enough for some decent long range shooting. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-22-2016, 09:13 AM	#9
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Yes, there are a lot of really nice Persians around, rifles that is. You really should be reading the K98 forum if you want to delve into this "minefield". K98s are as bad or worse than lugers for "boosting". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-22-2016, 04:01 PM	#11
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	The one all matching pictured below for sale at a gunshop not too far from where I live, would cost the equivalent of about 1800.00 $ Best. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-21-2016, 05:40 PM	#4
OIF2 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 83 Thanks: 133 Thanked 73 Times in 25 Posts	This one has been pretty good, after a higher front sight was found. It shoots the old 170 grain Remington Core-Lokt soft points into nice groups at 100 meters. Steyr '42, all-matched. Bob

02-21-2016, 06:50 PM	#5
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Curious, is this bnz's stock sanded and reoiled?

02-21-2016, 09:09 PM	#6
OIF2 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 83 Thanks: 133 Thanked 73 Times in 25 Posts	I don't think so, but I may be wrong. Bob

02-22-2016, 09:50 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	Years ago I purchased a minty Persian Mauser with matching bayonet here locally from Samco. For a production rifle the workmanship, finish and overall quality was superb. I paid a then princely sum of $750 for both rifle and bayonet and got to choose "best of the lot" at Samco's showroom. I later traded it even for a 454 Casull with a 7.5" barrel. I thought I did well at the time, as the revolver was listed at $1,500, but in retrospect, I should have kept the Mauser.

02-23-2016, 09:02 AM	#12
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Does this one look correct? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=543951948 It has importer stamp, probably CAI. How is the price range in the US context? No bayonet.

02-23-2016, 09:33 AM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	My father sent back two 98K rifles from the battlefield sometime in 1944. One was given to a brother who was rated 4F and didn't get to serve during WW2. The other was given to my mother's brother. I never got to see that one. The one that remained close came home with a mismatched bolt, but it had a VERY smooth action. I was amazed at how well I could hit random targets out to 200 meters with the open sights. I wish it were still in my possession, but it now belongs to the son (first cousin) of the brother he gave it to. Interesting story my father told of how the rifles came home. They had just taken a town and were told that they could stand down for a day before they would go back into the battle. Word came down that if anyone had any souveniers that they wanted to send home, they could do as long as it was done quickly... and prepared for shipment. My father didn't miss the chance so he just went out to the street and took two 98K rifles from their previous owners. He was standing in front of a fabric store. He went in and grabbed the first bolt of material he could find that was wide enough to wrap the rifles to protect them. He said he used yards and yards of material to provide sufficient packing and tied the parcel up with heavy twine. He tagged it to be shipped to his home in West Virginia, and delivered it to his supply sergeant for shipping... and never gave it a second thought. Once home after the war, he was relating the story of being in that town to his family and remembered that he had shipped the rifles home when he saw that the fabric he had used to wrap them had been used by my grandmother to make curtains and furniture covers. He asked his mother if the rifles had made it home, and she said yes, but didn't remember what happened to them... then my grandfather told him that she didn't want them in the house so he took them out to barn and hung them on a nail. They were still hanging on that nail when he went out to barn. They hadn't even rusted... I find it amazing that they even survived the journey as I am sure such items were highly prized as trophies... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-24-2016, 08:54 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Already have another guy bidding on that fancy Persian Mauser.... but still many days left. Bookmarked, I will wait last minute ..

02-25-2016, 04:18 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	alvin Please keep up informed how it went, and good luck. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-27-2016, 09:30 PM	#16
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Missed this one: "EXCELLENT CZ MODEL 98/29 PERSIAN CONTRACT MAUSER Excellent and desirable BRNO CZ Model 98/29 Persian Contract Mauser rifle, complete with matching bayonet and original 1934 document, and slings. All matching numbers in Farsi, including bayonet. Persian crest on receiver. No import marks. Original factory document shows test fire shots, and original information in Czech on left side, and Farsi on right side. A very rare and complete example of its kind. Serial Number: 04544. Condition: Immaculate unissued condition, 99% bluing, and bright polish to stock, appearing unfired since factory test fire in 1934. Bayonet also in mint unissued condition. Document is nicely preserved in rigid sleeve protector. " It's sold $1700. I hesitated due to (1) no importer stamp is weird, could be dealer sample but also could be removed by someone,,,, and (2) previous consecutively numbered pair sold $2700 also impacted me. I was calculating that pair was $2700, then how much should be this one... Decision had to be made in 3 seconds, so I missed.

02-28-2016, 04:34 AM	#17
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	alvin I realize it's always difficult in an auction, it's often a matter of luck. Not too far from where I live there a couple of (smallish) gunshops that qute often have in stock old service guns for sale, so sometimes especially on Saturdays I like paying a call. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

02-28-2016, 01:12 PM	#18
abukafura Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northeast Wisconsin, near Greeen Bay Posts: 327 Thanks: 1,314 Thanked 89 Times in 57 Posts	John Sabato----Great story and thanks for relating it for all of us.

03-08-2016, 04:53 AM	#20
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Alvin Good luck I keep my fingers crossed for you. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.