buying a "shooter"

04-29-2002, 07:01 PM

if i buy a "shooter" and it's described as "matched", what should i expect to get?

if a part has been replaced and restamped, does it still fall under the "matched" description?

Ron Wood · 04-29-2002, 07:29 PM

properly numbered

04-29-2002, 08:09 PM

be able to notice if a side plate has been filed down and restamped? and if so, should he not inform the buyer or is the fact that it's only a "cheap" $700 shooter that doesn't deserve his time for closer examination be a good enough excuse for not mentioning it?

Lonnie Zimmerman · 04-29-2002, 09:32 PM

Of course he should tell you!!!!

Lonnie

Orv Reichert · 04-29-2002, 09:48 PM

You can bet your butt he examined it carefully when he was BUYING it!

tom · 04-29-2002, 10:24 PM

Hi Guys,

Its very simple. There is fraud involved if someone (the Big Name dealer) knew, or "presumptively" should have known...

You can make a case like this stick in court and several "big name dealers" have had successful suits against them.

FWIW,

Tom

Not a dealer but a collector

MikeP · 04-29-2002, 10:26 PM

As I have said before-some of these guys and the "big boys" as well will shove these things as far up you as you are willing to take them.

If you call them on a problem they usually have a "gosh! guess I missed that one" reply and will take it back-if you pay postage.

Somebody said I should take it easy on large volume dealers because it is an honest mistake considering their volumns-I say that is sycophancy at its worst.

A crook is a crook no matter how many lugers he has for sale.

04-30-2002, 01:11 PM

ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO EXCUSE OTHER THAN TO MAKE A BUCK!! WHEN HE OR SHE IS DONE COLLECTING YOUR MONEY IT'S "CAVEAT EMPTOR".

TIM

04-30-2002, 01:13 PM

ABSOLUTELY NOT! NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, I DON'T CARE WHO HE OR SHE IS!

TIM

04-30-2002, 01:15 PM

BUT HE OR SHE WON'T......AT LEAST UNTIL AFTER THEY HAVE YOUR MONEY....AND MABEY THEY WILL EVEN DENY IT'S WRONG AT ALL?

TIM

04-30-2002, 01:18 PM

IT'S FRAUD WITH ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. PLAIN, SIMPLE, AND WITHOUT ARGUEMENT. MONEY RETURNED PLUS INTEREST IS THE ONLY REMEDY.

TIM

04-30-2002, 01:20 PM

ORV, RIGHT ON TARGET. HE OR SHE MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BUY IT FROM YOU AT A FRACTION OF THE PRICE!!!!!!!

TIM

04-30-2002, 01:22 PM

I'VE HAD ONE SHOVED, BELIEVE ME IT HURTS!!!!!!!!

TIM

05-03-2002, 08:04 AM

Just curious but has anyone bought a Luger from a "big name dealer" that turned out to be worth more than you paid due to them missing something. I would bet the mistakes in their favor against the mistakes in your favor are 99 to 1.

04-29-2002, 07:01 PM	#1
tom collins Guest Posts: n/a	buying a "shooter" if i buy a "shooter" and it's described as "matched", what should i expect to get? if a part has been replaced and restamped, does it still fall under the "matched" description?

04-29-2002, 07:29 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Absolutely not...it must be an original part properly numbered

04-29-2002, 08:09 PM	#3
tom collins Guest Posts: n/a	should a big name dealer... be able to notice if a side plate has been filed down and restamped? and if so, should he not inform the buyer or is the fact that it's only a "cheap" $700 shooter that doesn't deserve his time for closer examination be a good enough excuse for not mentioning it?

04-29-2002, 09:32 PM	#4
Lonnie Zimmerman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 523 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: should a big name dealer... Of course he should tell you!!!! Lonnie

04-29-2002, 09:48 PM	#5
Orv Reichert RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SW Washington State Posts: 339 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"shooter" You can bet your butt he examined it carefully when he was BUYING it!

04-29-2002, 10:24 PM	#6
tom User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 269 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: should a big name dealer... Hi Guys, Its very simple. There is fraud involved if someone (the Big Name dealer) knew, or "presumptively" should have known... You can make a case like this stick in court and several "big name dealers" have had successful suits against them. FWIW, Tom Not a dealer but a collector

04-29-2002, 10:26 PM	#7
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Re: "shooter" As I have said before-some of these guys and the "big boys" as well will shove these things as far up you as you are willing to take them. If you call them on a problem they usually have a "gosh! guess I missed that one" reply and will take it back-if you pay postage. Somebody said I should take it easy on large volume dealers because it is an honest mistake considering their volumns-I say that is sycophancy at its worst. A crook is a crook no matter how many lugers he has for sale.

04-30-2002, 01:11 PM	#8
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: should a big name dealer... ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO EXCUSE OTHER THAN TO MAKE A BUCK!! WHEN HE OR SHE IS DONE COLLECTING YOUR MONEY IT'S "CAVEAT EMPTOR". TIM

04-30-2002, 01:13 PM	#9
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: buying a "shooter" ABSOLUTELY NOT! NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS, I DON'T CARE WHO HE OR SHE IS! TIM

04-30-2002, 01:15 PM	#10
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: should a big name dealer... BUT HE OR SHE WON'T......AT LEAST UNTIL AFTER THEY HAVE YOUR MONEY....AND MABEY THEY WILL EVEN DENY IT'S WRONG AT ALL? TIM

04-30-2002, 01:18 PM	#11
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: should a big name dealer... IT'S FRAUD WITH ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. PLAIN, SIMPLE, AND WITHOUT ARGUEMENT. MONEY RETURNED PLUS INTEREST IS THE ONLY REMEDY. TIM

04-30-2002, 01:20 PM	#12
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: "shooter" ORV, RIGHT ON TARGET. HE OR SHE MOST CERTAINLY WOULDN'T BUY IT FROM YOU AT A FRACTION OF THE PRICE!!!!!!! TIM

04-30-2002, 01:22 PM	#13
TIMOTHY CANNEY Guest Posts: n/a	Re: "shooter" I'VE HAD ONE SHOVED, BELIEVE ME IT HURTS!!!!!!!! TIM

05-03-2002, 08:04 AM	#14
dobk Guest Posts: n/a	Re: buying a "shooter" Just curious but has anyone bought a Luger from a "big name dealer" that turned out to be worth more than you paid due to them missing something. I would bet the mistakes in their favor against the mistakes in your favor are 99 to 1.