Info on 1902 Carbine

*RM* · 01-02-2017, 10:29 AM

Hallo Gents,,

I'm new on this forum not into Luger collecting, but need your help with this 1902 Carbine.
Can you confirm this carbine is an original one?
Do you have more info about the holster/pouch?

Thanks in advance and Happy New Year!

FRANK

pics in following posts

cirelaw · 01-02-2017, 10:41 AM

Welcome fellow Floridian~Looks like a real nice 02 carbine~The carry case was sold separately not DWM! Heres mine made by Jerry Burney my hero!

*RM* · 01-02-2017, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Welcome fellow Floridian~Looks like a real nice 02 carbine~The carry case was sold separately not DWM! Heres mine made by Jerry Burney my hero!

Very Nice Pouch indeed!
Cheers Frank

mrerick · 01-02-2017, 11:31 AM

Hi Frank and welcome to the forum.

For security and the fact that we retain images for the long term, it's much better if you post pictures right here on the forum. Use the "Advanced" mode of the editor to attach photos.

I typically resize pictures I'm going to post to about 1024 pixels horizontally...

Marc

Edward Tinker · 01-02-2017, 12:13 PM

after cropping - the software will almost always resize a large photo for you

here is one that started as 1.93 megabytes - the forum software shrunk it for me, simply by uploading it...

Douglas Jr. · 01-02-2017, 12:51 PM

It seems you have a nice original 1902 Carbine.
Although I'm far from being an expert the finish looks original and I can't see any issues.
On the contrary, the carbine looks to be in very good condition, in the correct serial range for a 1902 Carbine.
I can't say anything on the leather case but it is an exquisite accessory.
Congratulations!

ithacaartist · 01-02-2017, 01:44 PM

Interesting... The carrying cases are mirror image when compared.

*RM* · 01-02-2017, 02:46 PM

Second string of pics

*RM* · 01-02-2017, 02:46 PM

More pictures

*RM* · 01-02-2017, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

Hi Frank and welcome to the forum.

For security and the fact that we retain images for the long term, it's much better if you post pictures right here on the forum. Use the "Advanced" mode of the editor to attach photos.

I typically resize pictures I'm going to post to about 1024 pixels horizontally...

Marc

Hi Marc,

I hope the pics i posted will do....

Regards,

FRANK

cirelaw · 01-02-2017, 03:12 PM

Jerry handmade the leather carry case~ This is the 1920 "parts" carbine.During the Weimer period they used leftover parts to reissue some new guns!

sheepherder · 01-02-2017, 03:23 PM

Frank, we much appreciate your attaching your pics!

Beautiful unrestored example of a 1902 carbine. Buttplate especially looks correct; serial in correct place; safety 'shadow' correct...Do all numbers match???

mrerick · 01-02-2017, 06:53 PM

In one word, "Superb!"... Congratulations. SN 23854 for reference.

Marc

DonVoigt · 01-02-2017, 08:57 PM

Very nice,
thanks for posting the pictures here- now they will be available for reference.

sheepherder · 01-02-2017, 09:03 PM

We don't see a pic of the [field stripped] barrel...Does it have the auxiliary/helper recoil spring???

George Anderson · 01-02-2017, 09:43 PM

I may be ignorant but I see two different sets of serial numbers, 23854 and 2305.

sheepherder · 01-02-2017, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Anderson

I may be ignorant but I see two different sets of serial numbers, 23854 and 2305.

If you squint your eyes, this one sort of looks like both...

*RM* · 01-03-2017, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

We don't see a pic of the [field stripped] barrel...Does it have the auxiliary/helper recoil spring???

What do you mean by this?
Do you have any drawing/pic of such a spring?

THX,

FRANK

Ron Wood · 01-03-2017, 12:22 PM

The accelerator (auxiliary/helper) spring assembly in the forearm is shown in the last photo of the original post. Even though there is no photo posted of the lug on the underside of the barrel that activates the spring, since the gun is all matching I am sure the lug is present.
The gun is very nice looking and obviously all original. It exhibits overall fine rust spotting (sometimes called "patina" by dealers

). This is not terribly detractive but is indicative of improper storage. I hope it has not been stored in the leather case but I suspect such is the situation. A light "massage" with 0000 steel wool and oil may improve the appearance somewhat. In addition to the "patina" the gun looks dry. From this day forward the gun should be stored with a light surface lubrication and never stored for extended periods in the leather case.
Ron

sheepherder · 01-03-2017, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

The accelerator (auxiliary/helper) spring assembly in the forearm is shown in the last photo of the original post.

If that's this pic -

Then I'm having trouble seeing how it works...

The forearm doesn't seem to have any spring in it...

01-02-2017, 10:29 AM	#1
RM User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in Flanders Fields Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 4 Posts	Info on 1902 Carbine Hallo Gents,, I'm new on this forum not into Luger collecting, but need your help with this 1902 Carbine. Can you confirm this carbine is an original one? Do you have more info about the holster/pouch? Thanks in advance and Happy New Year! FRANK pics in following posts Attached Thumbnails Last edited by RM; 01-02-2017 at 03:39 PM.

01-02-2017, 10:41 AM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Welcome fellow Floridian~Looks like a real nice 02 carbine~The carry case was sold separately not DWM! Heres mine made by Jerry Burney my hero! Attached Thumbnails

01-02-2017, 11:31 AM	#4
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	Hi Frank and welcome to the forum. For security and the fact that we retain images for the long term, it's much better if you post pictures right here on the forum. Use the "Advanced" mode of the editor to attach photos. I typically resize pictures I'm going to post to about 1024 pixels horizontally... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-02-2017, 12:13 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	after cropping - the software will almost always resize a large photo for you here is one that started as 1.93 megabytes - the forum software shrunk it for me, simply by uploading it... Attached Thumbnails

01-02-2017, 01:44 PM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	Interesting... The carrying cases are mirror image when compared. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

01-02-2017, 12:51 PM	#6
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	It seems you have a nice original 1902 Carbine. Although I'm far from being an expert the finish looks original and I can't see any issues. On the contrary, the carbine looks to be in very good condition, in the correct serial range for a 1902 Carbine. I can't say anything on the leather case but it is an exquisite accessory. Congratulations!

01-02-2017, 02:46 PM	#8
RM User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in Flanders Fields Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 4 Posts	pics 2 Second string of pics Attached Thumbnails Last edited by RM; 01-02-2017 at 03:43 PM. Reason: double

01-02-2017, 02:46 PM	#9
RM User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in Flanders Fields Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 4 Posts	pics 3 More pictures Attached Thumbnails Last edited by RM; 01-02-2017 at 03:47 PM. Reason: pics

01-02-2017, 03:12 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Jerry handmade the leather carry case~ This is the 1920 "parts" carbine.During the Weimer period they used leftover parts to reissue some new guns! Attached Thumbnails

01-02-2017, 03:23 PM	#12
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Frank, we much appreciate your attaching your pics! Beautiful unrestored example of a 1902 carbine. Buttplate especially looks correct; serial in correct place; safety 'shadow' correct...Do all numbers match??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter... Last edited by sheepherder; 01-02-2017 at 04:13 PM.

01-02-2017, 06:53 PM	#13
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	In one word, "Superb!"... Congratulations. SN 23854 for reference. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-02-2017, 08:57 PM	#14
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Very nice, thanks for posting the pictures here- now they will be available for reference. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

01-02-2017, 09:03 PM	#15
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	We don't see a pic of the [field stripped] barrel...Does it have the auxiliary/helper recoil spring??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-02-2017, 09:43 PM	#16
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	I may be ignorant but I see two different sets of serial numbers, 23854 and 2305.

01-03-2017, 12:22 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	The accelerator (auxiliary/helper) spring assembly in the forearm is shown in the last photo of the original post. Even though there is no photo posted of the lug on the underside of the barrel that activates the spring, since the gun is all matching I am sure the lug is present. The gun is very nice looking and obviously all original. It exhibits overall fine rust spotting (sometimes called "patina" by dealers ). This is not terribly detractive but is indicative of improper storage. I hope it has not been stored in the leather case but I suspect such is the situation. A light "massage" with 0000 steel wool and oil may improve the appearance somewhat. In addition to the "patina" the gun looks dry. From this day forward the gun should be stored with a light surface lubrication and never stored for extended periods in the leather case. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction