No Nazi~

cirelaw · 07-19-2017, 10:42 AM

I was wondering if Nazi proofs ever appeared on Krieghoff lugers and if not why not? There are unique inspection markings and dedicated nazi handbooks~

DonVoigt · 07-19-2017, 10:47 AM

Those are Luftwaffe inspector markings/proof.
Who knows if the stamps were "nazi" or not.

The Luftwaffe dates to the period of the "Third Reich".

Edward Tinker · 07-19-2017, 11:22 AM

yes, of course they are Nazi - they are just the Krieghoff inspector marking who was a german - and working for the nazi regime

cirelaw · 07-19-2017, 11:36 AM

Thank You~ Great Point!!!

1933 FORD NUT · 07-19-2017, 12:21 PM

If the question is about swastikas on HK Lugers the answer is NO .

cirelaw · 07-19-2017, 01:11 PM

I noticed in Jans' Third Reich the following~ Page 13~

1933 FORD NUT · 07-19-2017, 02:45 PM

Pretty clear he is not talking about HK's here .

cirelaw · 07-19-2017, 03:18 PM

Thank You, no neither was I~Jan refers to Army test proofs~ "P08 Military"

kurusu · 07-19-2017, 05:35 PM

That is ironic. There is no Luger more NAZI than the Krieghoff. Snatched from Simson because they were Jews. Buddy Luftwaffe contract because of Goering (maybe he wasn't a NAZI afterall.

).

cirelaw · 07-19-2017, 06:31 PM

I am watching a documentary on Stalin and Hitler. Both were some of the worse criminal in mankind. I think the nut job in North Korea is going to come in third!!!! The problem the is often no one to stand up to internally. Tragic. Not much has changed! An ally can become an enemy in the blink of an eye! Strong military and leaders are the sole solution or hope! Lugers played a large part in history. It tool the pull of a trigger to start one world war and the push of another to end another world war!! A lot depends upon whose finger is first on the trigger!

1933 FORD NUT · 07-20-2017, 02:41 AM

If you are serious about this you need to do a serious fact check on this.

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Originally Posted by kurusu

That is ironic. There is no Luger more NAZI than the Krieghoff. Snatched from Simson because they were Jews. Buddy Luftwaffe contract because of Goering (maybe he wasn't a NAZI afterall.

).

DonVoigt · 07-20-2017, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 1933 FORD NUT

If you are serious about this you need to do a serious fact check on your BS .

Which part of this is BS?

1933 FORD NUT · 07-20-2017, 11:59 AM

Start with pages 14-15 in Gibsons book .

Been a student of HK's for a long time and never heard this before .

Maybe the accuser should offer some facts ?

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Which part of this is BS?

DonVoigt · 07-20-2017, 12:07 PM

I do have Gibson's book, but many don't- so would you mind summarizing your take on this?

cirelaw · 07-20-2017, 12:24 PM

Prince Ferdinand assasination started the first world war and the dropping of the atomic bombs ended the second! http://historythings.com/archduke-franz-ferdinand/

Norme · 07-20-2017, 12:28 PM

As I recall Heinrich Kreighoff was interviewed after the war at which time he stated that he had not been an "enthusiastic Nazi". This is something of a joke as you would be hard put, in post-war Germany, to find anyone who admitted to having been one.
Norm

1933 FORD NUT · 07-20-2017, 12:29 PM

Form your own opinions .

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I do have Gibson's book, but many don't- so would you mind summarizing your take on this?

kurusu · 07-20-2017, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1933 FORD NUT

Form your own opinions .

That is from where I got my opinion.

1933 FORD NUT · 07-20-2017, 03:09 PM

We are definitely all free to form our own opinions .

To be clear I am no fan of the NSDAP or what they did .

I actually like the lack of swastikas on HK Lugers .

My issue here is I have never seen any documentation of the HK firm having anything to do with the demise of Simson . The NSDAP is guilty of it IMHO .

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Originally Posted by kurusu

That is from where I got my opinion.

kurusu · 07-20-2017, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1933 FORD NUT

We are definitely all free to form our own opinions .

To be clear I am no fan of the NSDAP or what they did .

I actually like the lack of swastikas on HK Lugers .

My issue here is I have never seen any documentation of the HK firm having anything to do with the demise of Simson . The NSDAP is guilty of it IMHO .

To make it clear too, I never thought you were a fan of the Nationalsozialisticher Deutsche Arbeiter partei either.

HK didn't directly took party in the demise of Simson, but they sure took profit from it.

07-19-2017, 10:42 AM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	No Nazi~ I was wondering if Nazi proofs ever appeared on Krieghoff lugers and if not why not? There are unique inspection markings and dedicated nazi handbooks~ Attached Thumbnails

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Those are Luftwaffe inspector markings/proof. Who knows if the stamps were "nazi" or not. The Luftwaffe dates to the period of the "Third Reich". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I noticed in Jans' Third Reich the following~ Page 13~ Attached Thumbnails

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	I do have Gibson's book, but many don't- so would you mind summarizing your take on this? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Prince Ferdinand assasination started the first world war and the dropping of the atomic bombs ended the second! http://historythings.com/archduke-franz-ferdinand/ Attached Thumbnails

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	yes, of course they are Nazi - they are just the Krieghoff inspector marking who was a german - and working for the nazi regime

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You~ Great Point!!!

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1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	If the question is about swastikas on HK Lugers the answer is NO .

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1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	Pretty clear he is not talking about HK's here .

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Thank You, no neither was I~Jan refers to Army test proofs~ "P08 Military"

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kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	That is ironic. There is no Luger more NAZI than the Krieghoff. Snatched from Simson because they were Jews. Buddy Luftwaffe contract because of Goering (maybe he wasn't a NAZI afterall. ).

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I am watching a documentary on Stalin and Hitler. Both were some of the worse criminal in mankind. I think the nut job in North Korea is going to come in third!!!! The problem the is often no one to stand up to internally. Tragic. Not much has changed! An ally can become an enemy in the blink of an eye! Strong military and leaders are the sole solution or hope! Lugers played a large part in history. It tool the pull of a trigger to start one world war and the push of another to end another world war!! A lot depends upon whose finger is first on the trigger!

07-20-2017, 12:28 PM	#16
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	As I recall Heinrich Kreighoff was interviewed after the war at which time he stated that he had not been an "enthusiastic Nazi". This is something of a joke as you would be hard put, in post-war Germany, to find anyone who admitted to having been one. Norm