Finally, my first Luger

Mac204 · 04-29-2018, 07:04 PM

I love Lugers, but, until yesterday, I had never held one. I wanted my first to be a shooter. The dealer I bought it from said it was a parts gun - that there was probably no two parts being from the same gun. I don't mind that. It just gives me more to research!

HerrKaiser · 04-29-2018, 10:07 PM

Oh my! The dished toggles on a shooter? That’s awesome. Congrats on your first Luger! Also recommend that you go get a Mac Gar magazine(s) to shoot from as your current magazine is a spare magazine for someone who owns a military pistol with that serial number and isn’t fit for shooting anyway.

DonVoigt · 04-29-2018, 10:13 PM

Actually there is no reason not to use the magazine he has, its aluminum base mag. is perfectly adequate for shooting .HK, you may be thinking of wood base magazines, on which the base sometimes cracks during use after these 70 or 110 years since they were made.

DavidJayUden · 04-29-2018, 10:32 PM

Yep, there is a lot of heritage in that one...
Looks like someone ground off the stock lug, but I'm not sure why the hole on the rear grip strap. Maybe they wanted to lighten the gun, so they also dished the toggles.
Does it shoot and function well?
dju

DonVoigt · 04-30-2018, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Yep, there is a lot of heritage in that one...
Looks like someone ground off the stock lug, but I'm not sure why the hole on the rear grip strap. Maybe they wanted to lighten the gun, so they also dished the toggles.
Does it shoot and function well?
dju

Grind too much and the "hole" appears on most all luged lugers.

hayhugh · 04-30-2018, 02:44 AM

Might want to install the trigger leaver pin properly.

DavidJayUden · 04-30-2018, 08:35 AM

Might want to install the trigger leaver pin properly.
Do you think it is bent or just rotated?

I see an interesting project gun. IF, and I repeat IF, it shoots and functions well, I'd get some gunsmith to salt blue it, restraw the small stuff myself, and have a real range queen.

Just my $.02
dju

alanint · 04-30-2018, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

Might want to install the trigger leaver pin properly.
Do you think it is bent or just rotated?

I see an interesting project gun. IF, and I repeat IF, it shoots and functions well, I'd get some gunsmith to salt blue it, restraw the small stuff myself, and have a real range queen.

Just my $.02
dju

The pin is rotated. The bend should be down toward the bottom of the sideplate. If the dished toggles are authentic, I'm sure someone would trade you a newer toggle and then some for the chance to complete an older pistol. It is curious, as well, that the safety markings have been routed out.

ithacaartist · 04-30-2018, 01:30 PM

We need a closeup of the right toggle knob. Although it's not there now, I can't tell from the pic if there is any sign that the toggle lock was there.

DavidJayUden · 04-30-2018, 03:26 PM

The second photo seems to suggest that there is no toggle lock present on the right side toggle.
dju

Ron Wood · 04-30-2018, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

The second photo seems to suggest that there is no toggle lock present on the right side toggle.
dju

Not only is there no toggle lock on the right side toggle, it is not even machined to have ever had a toggle lock. That is a strange piece.
Ron

Mac204 · 04-30-2018, 04:59 PM

I haven't had a chance to fire it yet, however, it is a tight gun with next to no rattle. It chambered a round, extracted, and ejected well manually. I'd like to find out more info on the frame and toggle. Anyways. Someone asked for a few more closeups..

kurusu · 04-30-2018, 05:16 PM

To me, that's everything a "shooter" Luger should not be.

An interesting "conversation piece" maybe.

Mac204 · 05-01-2018, 11:00 PM

Well cool. I like interesting. I pulled the toggle and firing pin out and got some more pics. I'm wondering, how would you tell if the toggles are original or if they were machined out to replicate dished toggles? I know they aren't original to this frame.

The number here you can see is 01. The firing pin matches the toggles.

I apologize for the poor quality of this one. In this orientation it appears to be an upside down "P" then below is a rightside up "6" and under that a rightside up "5".

These are pretty much the only markings on the barrel.

DonVoigt · 05-01-2018, 11:19 PM

Really need to see the toggle knobs from the top.
Looks like they have been milled to me; no signs of the toggle lock.

Mac204 · 05-02-2018, 12:01 AM

Gotchya. At this point, using what little I know, I'm gonna guess milled.

DonVoigt · 05-02-2018, 10:28 AM

Also no sign of the small pin from the top in the left knob, but it may be there.
Picture is fuzzy and won't enlarge, must be hosted off site!
Please post pictures on the server here.

Try again, closer and in focus, please.

Ron Wood · 05-02-2018, 11:10 AM

Don,
There is no pin in the left knob of a dished toggle knob. The axle pin of the toggle joint is retained by the toggle lock. Since there is no toggle lock on this piece, the axle pin is only a friction fit just like the forward toggle link to breech block pin. Did you also notice that the toggle is blank, no DWM? And, it appears not to have been milled down. I repeat, this is a strange piece.

Ron

Mac204 · 05-02-2018, 12:18 PM

The top with flash.

Ron Wood · 05-02-2018, 02:39 PM

I'll be darned, there is a pin in the left knob! Curiouser and curiouser. Good call Don. Since I didn't expect a pin, I wouldn't have looked for one.
Ron

04-29-2018, 07:04 PM	#1
Mac204 User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Finally, my first Luger I love Lugers, but, until yesterday, I had never held one. I wanted my first to be a shooter. The dealer I bought it from said it was a parts gun - that there was probably no two parts being from the same gun. I don't mind that. It just gives me more to research!

04-29-2018, 10:07 PM	#2
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Oh my! The dished toggles on a shooter? That’s awesome. Congrats on your first Luger! Also recommend that you go get a Mac Gar magazine(s) to shoot from as your current magazine is a spare magazine for someone who owns a military pistol with that serial number and isn’t fit for shooting anyway. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

04-29-2018, 10:13 PM	#3
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Actually there is no reason not to use the magazine he has, its aluminum base mag. is perfectly adequate for shooting .HK, you may be thinking of wood base magazines, on which the base sometimes cracks during use after these 70 or 110 years since they were made. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

04-30-2018, 01:30 PM	#9
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,347 Thanks: 7,285 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	We need a closeup of the right toggle knob. Although it's not there now, I can't tell from the pic if there is any sign that the toggle lock was there. __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

05-01-2018, 11:19 PM	#15
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Really need to see the toggle knobs from the top. Looks like they have been milled to me; no signs of the toggle lock. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

04-29-2018, 10:32 PM	#4
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Yep, there is a lot of heritage in that one... Looks like someone ground off the stock lug, but I'm not sure why the hole on the rear grip strap. Maybe they wanted to lighten the gun, so they also dished the toggles. Does it shoot and function well? dju

04-30-2018, 02:44 AM	#6
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 896 Thanks: 857 Thanked 513 Times in 275 Posts	Might want to install the trigger leaver pin properly.

04-30-2018, 08:35 AM	#7
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Might want to install the trigger leaver pin properly. Do you think it is bent or just rotated? I see an interesting project gun. IF, and I repeat IF, it shoots and functions well, I'd get some gunsmith to salt blue it, restraw the small stuff myself, and have a real range queen. Just my $.02 dju

04-30-2018, 03:26 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	The second photo seems to suggest that there is no toggle lock present on the right side toggle. dju

04-30-2018, 04:59 PM	#12
Mac204 User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I haven't had a chance to fire it yet, however, it is a tight gun with next to no rattle. It chambered a round, extracted, and ejected well manually. I'd like to find out more info on the frame and toggle. Anyways. Someone asked for a few more closeups..

04-30-2018, 05:16 PM	#13
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	To me, that's everything a "shooter" Luger should not be. An interesting "conversation piece" maybe.

05-01-2018, 11:00 PM	#14
Mac204 User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Well cool. I like interesting. I pulled the toggle and firing pin out and got some more pics. I'm wondering, how would you tell if the toggles are original or if they were machined out to replicate dished toggles? I know they aren't original to this frame. The number here you can see is 01. The firing pin matches the toggles. I apologize for the poor quality of this one. In this orientation it appears to be an upside down "P" then below is a rightside up "6" and under that a rightside up "5". These are pretty much the only markings on the barrel.

05-02-2018, 12:01 AM	#16
Mac204 User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Gotchya. At this point, using what little I know, I'm gonna guess milled.

05-02-2018, 10:28 AM	#17
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Also no sign of the small pin from the top in the left knob, but it may be there. Picture is fuzzy and won't enlarge, must be hosted off site! Please post pictures on the server here. Try again, closer and in focus, please. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

05-02-2018, 11:10 AM	#18
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Don, There is no pin in the left knob of a dished toggle knob. The axle pin of the toggle joint is retained by the toggle lock. Since there is no toggle lock on this piece, the axle pin is only a friction fit just like the forward toggle link to breech block pin. Did you also notice that the toggle is blank, no DWM? And, it appears not to have been milled down. I repeat, this is a strange piece. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-02-2018, 12:18 PM	#19
Mac204 User Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 6 Thanks: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	The top with flash. Attached Thumbnails

05-02-2018, 02:39 PM	#20
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I'll be darned, there is a pin in the left knob! Curiouser and curiouser. Good call Don. Since I didn't expect a pin, I wouldn't have looked for one. Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction