Plum

k98mike · 07-13-2018, 11:06 PM

I'm a modest Luger collector and took the plunge on a s code Kreighoff serial 20XX. The receiver is a plumb color, is this correct? I also purchased the book "Kreighoff Parabellum" by Gibson but was unable to find mention of this hue. I know that some Beretta's had a plum colored slide in WW 2. Any information would be greatly appreciated, Thank you in advance to whoever replies, Mike

wlyon · 07-14-2018, 10:28 AM

I have never seen a plum colored Kreighoff. In fact they are a darker blue than others. Many Mausers exhibit this plum color. We will see what others say but I think this luger has been reblued. Bill

1933 FORD NUT · 07-14-2018, 01:00 PM

Good pics would help .

I have S code 2014 and it's receiver is definitely blue - not plum .

HerrKaiser · 07-14-2018, 01:08 PM

When you say plum, do you by chance mean a color similar to that of the extractor on my shooter here? I noticed that from day 1 when I got it. IIRC, didn’t someone on here mention that it could happen in the process of strawing? I always attributed mine to the fact the toggle train has a little bit less overall blue than the rest of this pistol.

k98mike · 07-14-2018, 03:12 PM

The receiver is close in color to your toggle train. I've looked up all the characteristics in Gibson, Still, and Kenyon's books and the proofs, numbering, thumbprint, all check out. The barrel and toggle train are a darker blue, while the receiver is a slightly reddish color. (But only in a certain light, it's not glaring, just slightly off from the rest of the pistol.) I'm no expert, but have been collecting 30+ years and know that re-bluing results in less crisp proofs, but these proofs are crisp. I wish I had a smart phone to send pics, but I'm still in the stone age with a flip phone. The pistol was bought online from Legacy Collectables.

k98mike · 07-14-2018, 03:18 PM

Mine is serial 2033. I wish to God I had a smart phone, I have a flip phone.

HerrKaiser · 07-14-2018, 03:30 PM

Seeing as you’ve been collecting longer than I’ve been even an entertained thought on this earth, not sure what to tell you as I’ve not yet had the chance to do much research into krieghoff Lugers. Hopefully some of the other members can provide more insight. In the mean time, are you able to plug your flip phone’s charger into a computer and transfer pictures over that way?

k98mike · 07-14-2018, 03:32 PM

I will try to get a friend over here today or tomorrow and get you some pictures.

Edward Tinker · 07-14-2018, 03:39 PM

as said - plum is not unusual for say 1939 Mausers but not for Krieghoffs

HerrKaiser · 07-14-2018, 03:44 PM

Which explains mine, as the train is a 42 Code on a 1937 frame.

k98mike · 07-14-2018, 03:47 PM

A buddy is coming over tomorrow when he gets out of church and pics will be posted then. Now I want to get to the bottom of this, Thanks guys, Mike

Zorba · 07-14-2018, 09:31 PM

So take some pix with a real camera and upload 'em here from your computer...

k98mike · 07-14-2018, 09:52 PM

Pics will be uploaded tomorrow afternoon.

Sergio Natali · 07-15-2018, 12:30 PM

FWIK that should be a color shift that takes place over time based on the bluing salts and the metal alloy mix, I'm not an expert but perhaps when that part was blued, the blueing salt bath concentration as well as the temperature of the bath were too low.
You see it in a good number of vintage guns, SIGs and some lugers included, but the few Krieghoffs that I've seen never had that shade.
IMHO

Norme · 07-15-2018, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wlyon

I have never seen a plum colored Kreighoff. In fact they are a darker blue than others. Many Mausers exhibit this plum color. We will see what others say but I think this luger has been reblued. Bill

Hi Bill,
While this is true, I have to say that I've never seen the plum color on a refinished gun.
Regards, Norm

DavidJayUden · 07-15-2018, 02:01 PM

Norm makes a very good point. I too have never seen that plum coloring on any Luger that showed signs of refinishing or was known to have been reblued.
dju

DonVoigt · 07-15-2018, 02:20 PM

You could put a link to the Legacy pictures here.

k98mike · 07-15-2018, 03:09 PM

I have the pictures in my friends phone, how do we post them?

rhuff · 07-15-2018, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Bill,
While this is true, I have to say that I've never seen the plum color on a refinished gun.
Regards, Norm

Norn,

I had my father's 22cal rifle and his single barrel 410 shotgun refinished a number of years ago, and both came out with plum colored parts....I was sorely disappointed!! These were not Lugers, but the metal is of early 1900s vintage.

k98mike · 07-15-2018, 03:43 PM

Here is one picture, I'm working on other ones.
http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=3702

07-13-2018, 11:06 PM	#1
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Plum I'm a modest Luger collector and took the plunge on a s code Kreighoff serial 20XX. The receiver is a plumb color, is this correct? I also purchased the book "Kreighoff Parabellum" by Gibson but was unable to find mention of this hue. I know that some Beretta's had a plum colored slide in WW 2. Any information would be greatly appreciated, Thank you in advance to whoever replies, Mike

07-14-2018, 10:28 AM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,636 Thanks: 3,174 Thanked 2,559 Times in 955 Posts	I have never seen a plum colored Kreighoff. In fact they are a darker blue than others. Many Mausers exhibit this plum color. We will see what others say but I think this luger has been reblued. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

07-14-2018, 01:08 PM	#4
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	When you say plum, do you by chance mean a color similar to that of the extractor on my shooter here? I noticed that from day 1 when I got it. IIRC, didn’t someone on here mention that it could happen in the process of strawing? I always attributed mine to the fact the toggle train has a little bit less overall blue than the rest of this pistol. Attached Thumbnails __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

07-14-2018, 03:12 PM	#5
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	plum The receiver is close in color to your toggle train. I've looked up all the characteristics in Gibson, Still, and Kenyon's books and the proofs, numbering, thumbprint, all check out. The barrel and toggle train are a darker blue, while the receiver is a slightly reddish color. (But only in a certain light, it's not glaring, just slightly off from the rest of the pistol.) I'm no expert, but have been collecting 30+ years and know that re-bluing results in less crisp proofs, but these proofs are crisp. I wish I had a smart phone to send pics, but I'm still in the stone age with a flip phone. The pistol was bought online from Legacy Collectables.

07-14-2018, 03:18 PM	#6
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	plum Mine is serial 2033. I wish to God I had a smart phone, I have a flip phone.

07-14-2018, 01:00 PM	#3
1933 FORD NUT User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: WI Posts: 88 Thanks: 3 Thanked 69 Times in 36 Posts	Good pics would help . I have S code 2014 and it's receiver is definitely blue - not plum .

07-14-2018, 03:30 PM	#7
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Seeing as you’ve been collecting longer than I’ve been even an entertained thought on this earth, not sure what to tell you as I’ve not yet had the chance to do much research into krieghoff Lugers. Hopefully some of the other members can provide more insight. In the mean time, are you able to plug your flip phone’s charger into a computer and transfer pictures over that way? __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22

07-14-2018, 03:32 PM	#8
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	To HerrKiaser I will try to get a friend over here today or tomorrow and get you some pictures.

07-14-2018, 03:39 PM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	as said - plum is not unusual for say 1939 Mausers but not for Krieghoffs

07-14-2018, 03:44 PM	#10
HerrKaiser User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: South Carolina Posts: 848 Thanks: 784 Thanked 861 Times in 411 Posts	Which explains mine, as the train is a 42 Code on a 1937 frame. __________________ -QM Looking for Mauser S/42 toggle train #22 Last edited by HerrKaiser; 07-15-2018 at 01:28 PM.

07-14-2018, 03:47 PM	#11
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Pictures A buddy is coming over tomorrow when he gets out of church and pics will be posted then. Now I want to get to the bottom of this, Thanks guys, Mike

07-14-2018, 09:31 PM	#12
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 527 Times in 290 Posts	So take some pix with a real camera and upload 'em here from your computer...

07-14-2018, 09:52 PM	#13
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Pics Pics will be uploaded tomorrow afternoon.

07-15-2018, 12:30 PM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	FWIK that should be a color shift that takes place over time based on the bluing salts and the metal alloy mix, I'm not an expert but perhaps when that part was blued, the blueing salt bath concentration as well as the temperature of the bath were too low. You see it in a good number of vintage guns, SIGs and some lugers included, but the few Krieghoffs that I've seen never had that shade. IMHO __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

07-15-2018, 02:01 PM	#16
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Norm makes a very good point. I too have never seen that plum coloring on any Luger that showed signs of refinishing or was known to have been reblued. dju

07-15-2018, 02:20 PM	#17
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	You could put a link to the Legacy pictures here. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

07-15-2018, 03:09 PM	#18
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	I have the pictures in my friends phone, how do we post them?

07-15-2018, 03:43 PM	#20
k98mike User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 141 Thanks: 280 Thanked 48 Times in 30 Posts	Here is one picture, I'm working on other ones. http://forum.lugerforum.com/picture....pictureid=3702