Normandy attic find? HUH?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-06-2019, 05:18 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...MAAOSwushdmjfa

This shows the lengths scammers will go to for a buck.

rhuff · 10-07-2019, 03:10 PM

All it takes is one sucker believing the hype!!

Pistol · 10-07-2019, 03:43 PM

Well, it does have some sand on it.

Sky Zero · 10-07-2019, 05:13 PM

out of curiosity, is it a fake holster, or just the made up story bs?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-07-2019, 05:22 PM

Extremely fake holster James..The story..is just another story.

Sky Zero · 10-07-2019, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Extremely fake holster James..The story..is just another story.

this is why I only buy from reputable members on here

EdinFla · 10-08-2019, 01:49 PM

When your Luger salesman looks like this

Hesitate.

Not that I particularly follow that advice myself.

gunbugs · 10-09-2019, 01:53 AM

As far as looking at the photos, two things stand out to me. The first is the color of the leather on the interior. Too grey. The second, the belt loops are still "round" at the top. They've never been on a belt for any period of time. All my "real" holsters have "flattened" belt loops. But I'm certainly no expert here. Novice at best.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-09-2019, 02:59 PM

Doug, This thing screams fake from every angle! It's a case study of forget about the story and look at the holster. I bet I could point out at least a dozen RED FLAG pointers. But I am busy packing my stuff for a trip to my Winter compound in sunny Arizona and fretting a forest fire next ridge over..

Current bid:
GBP 160.00 Somebody is going to get a bad spanking here...With shipping that's North of $200 USD. For a (filthy) $19.95 repro! Amazing...
I have heard the Luger market is a tad soft but this proves that NOT TRUE!

Ron Wood · 10-09-2019, 05:37 PM

Wish I still had a dog, that holster would make a great chew toy if you smeared a little bacon grease on it.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-09-2019, 05:43 PM

Don't forget to remove the steel buckle for your pet's safety!

Mac Cat · 10-09-2019, 06:18 PM

The belt loops are too high and the left one usually touches the top of the middle stitching row and the pull strap loop stitches. I think it's enough to be highly suspect.

Joop's reference shows the Waffen code WaA170 has 4 manufactures listed (p 667):
Alban Zeitz / bbq Ehrhardt und Kirsten Leipzig 1941 / hsu / bib Otto Graf, Leipzig 1940-42)

The maker stamp looks like "CLEUNERBER GmbH" or "CLEUNERBERG" to me. The first and last letters are messed up. I can't find any references to that business name or leather shop. It may be a copy of a real stamp, but I just can't find anything close to it. Leipsig is close to BAUDTZEN (a real town) - both are near Dresden in Southeast Germany. (I blew up the photo a bit - the other photo is my 1942 DLU from DRESDEN - closest I have).

But, the stamp area is smeared with what looks like black ink or a bad attempt to clean it off or both.

There should be a "." in the "PO8" stamp.

I'm no any kind of expert, but I have thumbed through a few reference books.

Sky Zero · 10-09-2019, 11:03 PM

Could someone just report this to ebay?

Zorba · 10-10-2019, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

There are no holster(or anything else) police at ebay. JMHO.

If you don't think there are "police" at eBay, try selling a Hermes scarf there...

Sky Zero · 10-10-2019, 02:34 PM

Well that's unfortunate. I reported him, anyway. Dont think ebay will do anything about it.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2019, 02:37 PM

My Wife says I am a know it all but what is a Hermes scarf?

An Hermes scarf is an iconic accessory stitched with a strong sense of history and luxury. Silk scarves, cashmere scarves, and vintage scarves by Hermes can be tied in many ways on your body or your handbags and can even be used as decorative pieces at home.

Google to the rescue..I see why that's bad...NOT?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2019, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky Zero

Well that's unfortunate. I reported him, anyway. Dont think ebay will do anything about it.

eBay doesn't know everything about everything. They can't tell real from replica, and just cause YOU say it's one thing..they cannot make any determination towards authenticity. What they WILL kick off is a swastica if you complain about it. But only IF they get a complaint.

Recently a 32 round Artillery snail drum sold on eBay. Not a peep out of them because they don't know what it was! AND no one snitched.

Sky Zero · 10-10-2019, 03:39 PM

Yea, that's true, but if he decides to sell other counterfeit items in other fields, and more complain, the mounting complaints COULD come down on him eventually. Doesnt hurt to try. Theres a saying in the airline pilot world, if you dont ever write up a broken item, itll never get fixed.

wlyon · 10-10-2019, 07:02 PM

Only if Donkeys fly!!!!!

Sky Zero · 10-10-2019, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I just re-read the ad, at no time does the seller claim it is "original"; only that it was found in a Normandy attic, "with magazines" now "turned in".

The implication is there of course, and he does say WW II German holster.

There is even a very small but real possibility that it is genuine- despite our collective expert observations damning it to reproduction status. JMHO.

That's true.

10-06-2019, 05:18 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Normandy attic find? HUH? https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-German-...MAAOSwushdmjfa This shows the lengths scammers will go to for a buck. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-07-2019, 03:10 PM	#2
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	All it takes is one sucker believing the hype!! __________________ Need DWM breechblock #21

10-07-2019, 05:22 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Extremely fake holster James..The story..is just another story. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-09-2019, 02:59 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Doug, This thing screams fake from every angle! It's a case study of forget about the story and look at the holster. I bet I could point out at least a dozen RED FLAG pointers. But I am busy packing my stuff for a trip to my Winter compound in sunny Arizona and fretting a forest fire next ridge over.. Current bid: GBP 160.00 Somebody is going to get a bad spanking here...With shipping that's North of $200 USD. For a (filthy) $19.95 repro! Amazing... I have heard the Luger market is a tad soft but this proves that NOT TRUE! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-09-2019, 05:37 PM	#10
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Wish I still had a dog, that holster would make a great chew toy if you smeared a little bacon grease on it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-07-2019, 03:43 PM	#3
Pistol User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 428 Thanks: 448 Thanked 220 Times in 99 Posts	Well, it does have some sand on it.

10-07-2019, 05:13 PM	#4
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	out of curiosity, is it a fake holster, or just the made up story bs?

10-08-2019, 01:49 PM	#7
EdinFla Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Florida Posts: 20 Thanks: 3 Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts	When your Luger salesman looks like this Hesitate. Not that I particularly follow that advice myself.

10-09-2019, 01:53 AM	#8
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 660 Thanks: 366 Thanked 1,179 Times in 395 Posts	As far as looking at the photos, two things stand out to me. The first is the color of the leather on the interior. Too grey. The second, the belt loops are still "round" at the top. They've never been on a belt for any period of time. All my "real" holsters have "flattened" belt loops. But I'm certainly no expert here. Novice at best.

10-09-2019, 05:43 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Don't forget to remove the steel buckle for your pet's safety! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-09-2019, 06:18 PM	#12
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 733 Thanks: 2,100 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	The belt loops are too high and the left one usually touches the top of the middle stitching row and the pull strap loop stitches. I think it's enough to be highly suspect. Joop's reference shows the Waffen code WaA170 has 4 manufactures listed (p 667): Alban Zeitz / bbq Ehrhardt und Kirsten Leipzig 1941 / hsu / bib Otto Graf, Leipzig 1940-42) The maker stamp looks like "CLEUNERBER GmbH" or "CLEUNERBERG" to me. The first and last letters are messed up. I can't find any references to that business name or leather shop. It may be a copy of a real stamp, but I just can't find anything close to it. Leipsig is close to BAUDTZEN (a real town) - both are near Dresden in Southeast Germany. (I blew up the photo a bit - the other photo is my 1942 DLU from DRESDEN - closest I have). But, the stamp area is smeared with what looks like black ink or a bad attempt to clean it off or both. There should be a "." in the "PO8" stamp. I'm no any kind of expert, but I have thumbed through a few reference books. Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

10-09-2019, 11:03 PM	#13
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Could someone just report this to ebay?

10-10-2019, 02:34 PM	#15
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Well that's unfortunate. I reported him, anyway. Dont think ebay will do anything about it.

10-10-2019, 02:37 PM	#16
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	My Wife says I am a know it all but what is a Hermes scarf? An Hermes scarf is an iconic accessory stitched with a strong sense of history and luxury. Silk scarves, cashmere scarves, and vintage scarves by Hermes can be tied in many ways on your body or your handbags and can even be used as decorative pieces at home. Google to the rescue..I see why that's bad...NOT? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-10-2019, 03:39 PM	#18
Sky Zero User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 308 Thanks: 134 Thanked 43 Times in 30 Posts	Yea, that's true, but if he decides to sell other counterfeit items in other fields, and more complain, the mounting complaints COULD come down on him eventually. Doesnt hurt to try. Theres a saying in the airline pilot world, if you dont ever write up a broken item, itll never get fixed.

10-10-2019, 07:02 PM	#19
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