Value of 7.62 Luger (see pic) form newbie

[Jwinn]

I got this 7.62 Luger a while back. It is .30 Cal with an EXC shiny clean bore. It turned out to be a nuisance to reload for and I never hoot it, although it seemed to be extremely acurate. All numbers are crisp and seem to match except the mag and the side plate thing. It is a DWM I think (the letters/symbol is very curlicued). There is no "straw" on the trigger and I suspect the finish is an arsenal refinish (WWII?). I am seeking to sell it [IMG][/IMG] , but have no clue what it's worth. I bought it for (what I think) was a pretty low price. This is my first posting and if this tyoe of question is frowned upon on this forum, I apologize in advance.. Thanks,JW

and dang if I can figure out how to post pictures on this forum!!, so here is the http link, maybe someone else can do this..

[img]http://www.fototime.com/CD4AF430DE15842/standard.jpg[img]

[Doug G.]

How much? Email me at mailto:[email protected][email protected]</a>

[Jwinn]

Thanks por nada Luger Forum. It's on AA now if anyone has any interest..

[Doubs]

In my experience the members here have been generous to a fault with their evaluations and information. However, expecting an "instant" evaluation based on one picture and little else is unreasonable.

But, having been asked, I'll have a go, FWIW.

The chambering is 7.65mm.... NOT 7.62. The front sight is not original. The finish is not original. Even if it's an all-matching pistol (magazine excepted), it has no collector value and as a shooter is a $400 - $500 pistol IMO. I wouldn't give over $400 myself but someone who needs a shooter might.

Good luck on AA.

[Doubs]

Having looked at the additional pictures posted on AA, I have this to add;

The extractor is not original and the receiver is military that has had the original inspection stamps and proof shaved off. The standing C/N proof on the left side probably means that this is a re-worked WW1 pistol that is now a 1920 commercial. There's no way to tell from the pictures if the receiver is a DWM or Erfurt but more mis-matched parts than those I've identified are possible.

[wterrell]

I have been trying to decide if there is a mismatch between the receiver and the frame as judged by the area forward of the trigger guard.

[Pete Ebbink]

Hello Wes,

Good eye...is that typically the dimensional difference in length between a longer, old model receiver and a shorter, new model frame ?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

[wterrell]

That is the conclusion that jumps out to me. What do you think? Has someone placed a long receiver on a short frame? And then replaced the barrel with a later barrel?
I do not think that this pistol will operate correctly if this is the case. Your opinion?

[Doubs]

I'm unaware of an Artillery being made on a long receiver and this one is notched. Possibly the recoil spring isn't engaged and the receiver has slipped forward a little?

Here's a link to the auction where you can examine two more pictures.
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5495466

[wterrell]

Doubs, you probably have the explanation. I withdraw my observation. The profile of the toggle is not that of a long frame. (How unconscious of me!)

[Ron Wood]

My first impression was that it was a long receiver. But the link that Doubs provided confirms his observation that it is an artillery type receiver. Since the takedown bolt is in the locked position, even if the recoil spring is not engaged, the receiver should not slide forward as it shows in the picture. The receiver is prevented from moving forward out of battery by contact of the receiver lug with the stop lug on the takedown bolt. I suspect that either the takedown bolt or the receiver lug is damaged. If that were indeed true, it would seem that it would not be possible to fire this Luger, since the trigger lever/sear disconnect alignment would be wrong. A very curious gun.

[Doubs]

Another excellent observation, Ron. I think what all of us are concluding is that there's something wrong with this pistol and, IMO, the seller knows it. I can't get past his comment that he doesn't shoot it but it's very accurate. If he doesn't shoot it, how would he know? It brings to mind an old saying about fragrances in Denmark.

[Doug G.]

While I don't know if Jwinn's luger will function I have this example of a long frame with a new short upper. I think I've fired it, but not sure? If anyone is interested in knowing I'll take her to the range and find out.

[Ron Wood]

Fire away Doug, it will work just fine. You can also place a long receiver on a short frame and it will work. It looks funny but it will work. The distance between the takedown lug and the frame stop is identical on both the long frame and short frame, and the receiver lug is the same size and location with respect to the breech on both a long and short receiver. The only difference on the long frame/receiver and the short frame/receiver is forward of the takedown. The receiver travels over the same path and the same distance in recoil and recovery for either configuration.

[ken d]

Even the toggle is of Artillery origin; no rear sight only a file mark in the axle pin hump. Front of frame appears to have excessive material removed. Maybe new numbers added. Prototype Frankenluger

Ken D

[John Sabato]

Serial Numbers (978) on the left side of the upper receiver, while appearing to be a similar font to the front of the frame are definitely larger in size...

Nice catch on the rear sight Ken... I thought it was just a plan view from the top and the rear edge of the sight wasn't visible, but after looking at it under magnification I have to agree that an artillery toggle was file notched or milled to provide a rear sight that hopefully matches that replacement front blade.

[vicg1]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Jwinn:
<strong>Thanks por nada Luger Forum. It's on AA now if anyone has any interest..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">this guys attitude doesn't seem very good either... he's hunting for info and because he doesn't get it within 24 hours he starts insulting

[Doubs]

Does anyone know if it was sold?