1921 Police

Proofed · 03-17-2020, 03:42 AM

New to me, is this a collecter or a shooter ?

Proofed · 03-17-2020, 03:47 AM

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Proofed · 03-17-2020, 04:16 AM

All pics taken before a good cleaning note the old oil and grease. This pistol was a workhorse

DonVoigt · 03-17-2020, 09:40 AM

Nice job on the pictures!
I'd say that it has to be a collector piece- even with a couple warts- matching mags and
holster offset any "downside to me".

Proofed · 03-17-2020, 11:22 AM

The holster cleaned up nicely

Lugerdoc · 03-17-2020, 12:25 PM

Exc set of photos. Your 1921 DWM Police luger appears to be all matching, including the police marked holster and both magazines. I expect that the sear and mag safeties were added later and cut off in the 1930s when the 2 matching Schmeisser patent mags were added. Definately a collector grade rig. TH

Don M · 03-17-2020, 01:27 PM

Collector.

Bluff Lake 36 · 03-17-2020, 01:35 PM

Very nice Police Luger. In the book by Donald Maus - History Writ in Steel it shows your Luger with the marking on the front grip strap
S.D.VI.470 is from Schupo Command of the Dusseldorf District.
The 470 is the weapon number.
You did a great job on cleaning up the holster. What did you use to clean it up so well?

gunnertwo · 03-17-2020, 03:28 PM

Nice gun with accessories, thanks. I also would like to know what you used on the holster.

G2

Proofed · 03-17-2020, 09:37 PM

When Jerry Burney talks about holsters and how to deal with them I listen.

On a cookie sheet inserted into a preheated 350 degree oven and baked for 5 minutes, then oven turned off not opening the door until its completely cooled (for mold)

Acetone to clean years of dirt and grime off

Connolly to make the holster happy

This one didn't need any repair its fully intact including the pull up strap

gunnertwo · 03-17-2020, 10:58 PM

Reminds me of the E. F. Hutton commercials of old...

G2

meadowlark · 03-18-2020, 05:21 PM

Looks like you got yourself a beautiful collector's piece. I can just imagine what it will look like after cleanup! The holster almost looks new! Nice job cleaning it up. The only thing I saw that wasn't matching was the grips but maybe they didn't stamp them in that time period. The experts can answer that one I'm sure. Also it might increase value to have the left grip with the missing chip fixed. There's someone on this forum that can do that so maybe he will chime in.

Jim Solomon · 03-18-2020, 07:22 PM

The “slot” on the top leading edge of the left grip is not a “chip” but rather a channel for the mag safety.
Jim

Proofed · 03-19-2020, 04:38 AM

As shown

Proofed · 03-19-2020, 04:46 AM

This mag safety has the tabs ground off to make it inoperable, most were ground off or removed altogether.
I believe the part was made by Walther and available to police around 1933, the police guys can correct me if I'm wrong about that.
Thanks for the interest.

meadowlark · 03-19-2020, 10:14 AM

Thanks Jim,
Lesson learned - should have looked more closely at the safety before posting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Solomon

The “slot” on the top leading edge of the left grip is not a “chip” but rather a channel for the mag safety.
Jim

grantman · 04-15-2020, 10:54 PM

Nice Rig! Bore looks great!

Question: How can one tell if the SD mark is Schupo Dusseldorf or Schupo Dresden? I ask because I have a 1921 DWM marked S.D.

Great job on the holster!

Proofed · 04-17-2020, 10:25 AM

Thanks for the comments.
There are many here who are experts in police markings, I am not.
from whati have found out I think Dresden marked their pistols with S.P.D. and a not S.D. like Dusseldorf
i would ask someone to correct this if it is wrong, Thanks.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,442 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Nice job on the pictures! I'd say that it has to be a collector piece- even with a couple warts- matching mags and holster offset any "downside to me". __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Police Holster The holster cleaned up nicely Attached Thumbnails

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Exc set of photos. Your 1921 DWM Police luger appears to be all matching, including the police marked holster and both magazines. I expect that the sear and mag safeties were added later and cut off in the 1930s when the 2 matching Schmeisser patent mags were added. Definately a collector grade rig. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

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Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Collector. __________________ Regards, Don [email protected] Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

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Bluff Lake 36 User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Northern Wisconsin Posts: 205 Thanks: 0 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	Police Luger Very nice Police Luger. In the book by Donald Maus - History Writ in Steel it shows your Luger with the marking on the front grip strap S.D.VI.470 is from Schupo Command of the Dusseldorf District. The 470 is the weapon number. You did a great job on cleaning up the holster. What did you use to clean it up so well?

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gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Nice gun with accessories, thanks. I also would like to know what you used on the holster. G2

03-17-2020, 09:37 PM	#12
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Holster Conditioning When Jerry Burney talks about holsters and how to deal with them I listen. On a cookie sheet inserted into a preheated 350 degree oven and baked for 5 minutes, then oven turned off not opening the door until its completely cooled (for mold) Acetone to clean years of dirt and grime off Connolly to make the holster happy This one didn't need any repair its fully intact including the pull up strap Attached Thumbnails

03-17-2020, 10:58 PM	#13
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	Reminds me of the E. F. Hutton commercials of old... G2

03-18-2020, 05:21 PM	#14
meadowlark User Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Florida Posts: 53 Thanks: 33 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Looks like you got yourself a beautiful collector's piece. I can just imagine what it will look like after cleanup! The holster almost looks new! Nice job cleaning it up. The only thing I saw that wasn't matching was the grips but maybe they didn't stamp them in that time period. The experts can answer that one I'm sure. Also it might increase value to have the left grip with the missing chip fixed. There's someone on this forum that can do that so maybe he will chime in.

03-18-2020, 07:22 PM	#15
Jim Solomon Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Georgia Posts: 199 Thanks: 700 Thanked 176 Times in 69 Posts	The “slot” on the top leading edge of the left grip is not a “chip” but rather a channel for the mag safety. Jim __________________ Jim Solomon [email protected]

03-19-2020, 04:38 AM	#16
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Mag Safety As shown Attached Thumbnails

03-19-2020, 04:46 AM	#17
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Magazine Safety This mag safety has the tabs ground off to make it inoperable, most were ground off or removed altogether. I believe the part was made by Walther and available to police around 1933, the police guys can correct me if I'm wrong about that. Thanks for the interest.

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grantman User Join Date: May 2019 Location: Northern Idaho Posts: 84 Thanks: 2 Thanked 34 Times in 22 Posts	Nice Rig! Bore looks great! Question: How can one tell if the SD mark is Schupo Dusseldorf or Schupo Dresden? I ask because I have a 1921 DWM marked S.D. Great job on the holster!

04-17-2020, 10:25 AM	#20
Proofed User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Pa. Posts: 157 Thanks: 535 Thanked 338 Times in 90 Posts	Dresden mark Thanks for the comments. There are many here who are experts in police markings, I am not. from whati have found out I think Dresden marked their pistols with S.P.D. and a not S.D. like Dusseldorf i would ask someone to correct this if it is wrong, Thanks.