Sad shape Navy

Jasta2 · 11-25-2020, 05:47 PM

During the Weimar Era was it normal for the chamber date, 1917, to be stamped into left side of the frame like this Navy? Picture 4 in the slide show. Despite it's rough condition, looks correct to my untrained eye, but the forum knows best ! Happy Thanksgiving.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/884566260

rpbcps · 11-25-2020, 06:34 PM

Bill,
I am no specialist, but as I have a grip safety P04 in my collection, I have read up on these in the past.

Referring to volume II of 'The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols', it says, in the production P04's based on the standard P08 (short) frame due to the exigencies of wartime manufacture; these pistols bear the year of manufacture, 1916 or 1917, over the chamber, on the left frame rail and foresight bed.

Have a happy thanksgiving tomorrow

Richard

Norme · 11-25-2020, 06:45 PM

Hi Bill,
I specialize in Imperial Navy Lugers and I can assure you that the gun in question is a 100% authentic 1917 Navy. It's condition may be poor, but honest it is!
Norm

rpbcps · 11-25-2020, 06:52 PM

In addition, "the 1917 production was around 15,000 pistols, numbered 1 -5000a."

Also "the 1917 dated guns have 2.4mm high digit serial numbers, as contemporary DWM made P08's " The 1916 dated Navy guns have 1.8mm high digit serial numbers.

Ron Wood · 11-25-2020, 09:13 PM

I wonder why "ShootStraightinc" thought it is Weimar era?
Ron

Norme · 11-25-2020, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpbcps

Also "the 1917 dated guns have 2.4mm high digit serial numbers, as contemporary DWM made P08's " The 1916 dated Navy guns have 1.8mm high digit serial numbers.

This is not accurate Richard. Despite what Dr Sturgess has written, 1917 Navies up to serial #1000n/s or so, had the earlier 1.8mm high serial numbers, all subsequent 1917's had the 2.4mm high numbers. The highest known small numbered 1917 is #989, the lowest known with large numbers is #1100.
Norm

rpbcps · 11-26-2020, 04:31 AM

Norm,
Thank you for that update, it is always good to add to my knowledge.

I'll add a 'post it note' to the relevant page of the 'Borchardt and Luger automatic pistols' for future reference.

Happy Thanksgiving

Richard

aldo35 · 11-30-2020, 10:24 PM

Lugerman04 just bought this for $2276! Some auction

11-25-2020, 09:13 PM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	I wonder why "ShootStraightinc" thought it is Weimar era? Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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11-25-2020, 05:47 PM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Sad shape Navy During the Weimar Era was it normal for the chamber date, 1917, to be stamped into left side of the frame like this Navy? Picture 4 in the slide show. Despite it's rough condition, looks correct to my untrained eye, but the forum knows best ! Happy Thanksgiving. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/884566260

11-25-2020, 06:34 PM	#2
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Bill, I am no specialist, but as I have a grip safety P04 in my collection, I have read up on these in the past. Referring to volume II of 'The Borchardt & Luger Automatic Pistols', it says, in the production P04's based on the standard P08 (short) frame due to the exigencies of wartime manufacture; these pistols bear the year of manufacture, 1916 or 1917, over the chamber, on the left frame rail and foresight bed. Have a happy thanksgiving tomorrow Richard

11-25-2020, 06:45 PM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Bill, I specialize in Imperial Navy Lugers and I can assure you that the gun in question is a 100% authentic 1917 Navy. It's condition may be poor, but honest it is! Norm

11-25-2020, 06:52 PM	#4
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	In addition, "the 1917 production was around 15,000 pistols, numbered 1 -5000a." Also "the 1917 dated guns have 2.4mm high digit serial numbers, as contemporary DWM made P08's " The 1916 dated Navy guns have 1.8mm high digit serial numbers.

11-26-2020, 04:31 AM	#7
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Norm, Thank you for that update, it is always good to add to my knowledge. I'll add a 'post it note' to the relevant page of the 'Borchardt and Luger automatic pistols' for future reference. Happy Thanksgiving Richard