Tom Armstrong Name taken in vain!

lugerholsterrepair · 04-15-2021, 04:34 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28425911720...m=284259117205

Edward Tinker · 04-15-2021, 05:24 PM

what an odd statement for an ebay seller....

Heinz · 04-15-2021, 10:47 PM

Ed, I think all who knew Tom appreciated his eye for quality. I have a Luger, Luger Holster, and a Sauer 38H that came from Tom. I guess I would mention that provenance here but, you are right, it is strange for Ebay.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-15-2021, 11:17 PM

Tom Armstrong wouldn't have let a Rottweiler chew on that paki goat hide. It would poison the poor dog. Tom Armstrong touching that thing would be like Superman touching kryptonite. He wouldn't get anywhere near it.

Heinz · 04-15-2021, 11:39 PM

Jerry, you are, of course, right.

George Anderson · 04-16-2021, 12:35 PM

This slug also drags Jerry's name into one of his bogus offerings.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Ge...8AAOSwSNhgeIzi

Edward Tinker · 04-16-2021, 12:58 PM

who is this 'seller'?

Guess put him on my ignore for ebay....

lugerholsterrepair · 04-16-2021, 01:25 PM

Well, Whoever he is he's probably not a bad guy. He lists a lot of militaria. It's just these two holsters that stand out and the name dropping.

Norme · 04-16-2021, 01:34 PM

Hi Jerry,
In his description of the Navy holster the seller describes it as being made of horse leather, can this be true?
Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 04-16-2021, 02:09 PM

Norm, Not in my opinion. The Germans had a leather industry that employed primarily cow hide for military gear. Horse hide is much different in texture and thickness. Of the thousands of Luger holsters I have been able to observe NEVER have I seen one I thought might be made of horse. Of course horse hide was used in certain applications..most I am not all that familiar with but I suspect apparel. Certainly not luger holsters.

Too, horses in WW1 were not bred for hides. They were a valuable source of transportation. Moving of armies. Munitions, supplies. Sadly many numbers of them were killed in battles and artillery barrages.

There are quite a number of things wrong with this so called Imperial Navy holster. It could promote quite a discussion on it's own merits regardless of what it's made of.

m1903a3 · 04-16-2021, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Jerry,
In his description of the Navy holster the seller describes it as being made of horse leather, can this be true?
Norm

That's an excellent question Norm, one that never occurred to me.

But since you asked, I did a little Googling and think that the answer is in the range of maybe to probably. It turns out horsehide is the same weight and thickness as cowhide, but somewhat stiffer and shinier. It also turns out that it was once preferred for holsters because it let the natural oils surface, with some thinking that help keep rust at bay. It is also was commonly used in motorcycle jackets!!

Who would have thought?

Update: The original specification for the Army Air Force "Jacket, Flying, Type A-2" required "seal brown horsehide leather". Eventually they were also made from goatskin or cowhide.

Heinz · 04-16-2021, 04:40 PM

My email notification had George's original phrasing, I liked it better.

Horse hide was often used for cowboy boots here in the States. I know nothing about Germany and do not trust Google :-)

cirelaw · 04-16-2021, 05:08 PM

For Comparision, Weimar and Imperial~

Neil Young · 04-16-2021, 06:20 PM

I suspect that the seller is member of this forum, or at least he is very familiar with participants on the forums. If we found out who it is, we might be surprised. However, that is just a wild guess. I'm like Sgt Schultz--"I know nothing!".

cirelaw · 04-16-2021, 06:26 PM

Take The FIFTH!!!!!!

sheepherder · 04-16-2021, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil Young

I suspect that the seller is member of this forum...

Do you suspect he owns a 'pawn shop' in Venice Florida???

lugerholsterrepair · 04-16-2021, 07:59 PM

Bingo! I suspect.

cirelaw · 04-16-2021, 08:05 PM

No Pawn Shop, Only Paradice!

04-15-2021, 04:34 PM	#1
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Tom Armstrong Name taken in vain! https://www.ebay.com/itm/28425911720...m=284259117205 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-15-2021, 11:17 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Tom Armstrong wouldn't have let a Rottweiler chew on that paki goat hide. It would poison the poor dog. Tom Armstrong touching that thing would be like Superman touching kryptonite. He wouldn't get anywhere near it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-16-2021, 01:25 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Well, Whoever he is he's probably not a bad guy. He lists a lot of militaria. It's just these two holsters that stand out and the name dropping. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-16-2021, 02:09 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Norm, Not in my opinion. The Germans had a leather industry that employed primarily cow hide for military gear. Horse hide is much different in texture and thickness. Of the thousands of Luger holsters I have been able to observe NEVER have I seen one I thought might be made of horse. Of course horse hide was used in certain applications..most I am not all that familiar with but I suspect apparel. Certainly not luger holsters. Too, horses in WW1 were not bred for hides. They were a valuable source of transportation. Moving of armies. Munitions, supplies. Sadly many numbers of them were killed in battles and artillery barrages. There are quite a number of things wrong with this so called Imperial Navy holster. It could promote quite a discussion on it's own merits regardless of what it's made of. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-16-2021, 05:08 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	For Comparision, Weimar and Imperial~ Attached Thumbnails

04-15-2021, 05:24 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	what an odd statement for an ebay seller....

04-15-2021, 10:47 PM	#3
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Ed, I think all who knew Tom appreciated his eye for quality. I have a Luger, Luger Holster, and a Sauer 38H that came from Tom. I guess I would mention that provenance here but, you are right, it is strange for Ebay.

04-15-2021, 11:39 PM	#5
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Jerry, you are, of course, right.

04-16-2021, 12:35 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	This slug also drags Jerry's name into one of his bogus offerings. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Imperial-Ge...8AAOSwSNhgeIzi

04-16-2021, 12:58 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	who is this 'seller'? Guess put him on my ignore for ebay....

04-16-2021, 01:34 PM	#9
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, In his description of the Navy holster the seller describes it as being made of horse leather, can this be true? Norm

04-16-2021, 04:40 PM	#12
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	My email notification had George's original phrasing, I liked it better. Horse hide was often used for cowboy boots here in the States. I know nothing about Germany and do not trust Google :-)

04-16-2021, 06:20 PM	#14
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	I suspect that the seller is member of this forum, or at least he is very familiar with participants on the forums. If we found out who it is, we might be surprised. However, that is just a wild guess. I'm like Sgt Schultz--"I know nothing!". __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

04-16-2021, 06:26 PM	#15
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Take The FIFTH!!!!!!

04-16-2021, 07:59 PM	#17
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Bingo! I suspect. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-16-2021, 08:05 PM	#18
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	No Pawn Shop, Only Paradice!