Georg Lugers' Baby Luger Sold!

cirelaw · 04-04-2022, 09:32 PM

https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...ototype-pistol

sheepherder · 04-04-2022, 10:28 PM

The real 'Baby Luger'...Gortz & Sturgess; Dead Ends & Curiosa...

cirelaw · 04-04-2022, 11:40 PM

Confusing! At Least Gives Some Background! Something Smells! https://www.proxibid.com/Pistols/Sem...ation/49407145

sheepherder · 04-05-2022, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

Confusing! At Least Gives Some Background! Something Smells! https://www.proxibid.com/Pistols/Sem...ation/49407145

Eric, I'd guess that of the half-dozen of those shortened and chopped real GL Lugers made, only about three hundred of them still exist...

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 12:13 AM

I Agree Copys. There is an video comparing the counterfeit 'GL' https://www.forgottenweapons.com/aut...-script-luger/

MFC · 04-05-2022, 01:01 AM

I doubt that a GL hallmarked Luger would have spliced grips.
It shows it was from the "RS" collection in Kenyon's book.
IMO, someone paid $92000 for a replica.

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 09:55 AM

Caveat Emptor, Latin For Buyer Beware!!!! Law Suit Time!!!!

Mac Cat · 04-05-2022, 03:25 PM

The Proxybid page says it sold for $150,000

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 07:04 PM

I Wish We Could Get A Picture to Compare!

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 07:12 PM

Ralph's Luger pictured at 'Lugers At Random' and on his wall taken by Ted!!!

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 09:20 PM

Check Out Rear Toggle link` Looks Modern!

cirelaw · 04-05-2022, 10:00 PM

The both have wrong toggles! Heres a 1902 toggle`

Heinz · 04-06-2022, 04:38 PM

Ralph had a lot of strange and wonderful things, made very far from Berlin. Butt he would always give you your money back if you did not like it. He would tell the next buyer that the money he gave back was what he paid for it.

sheepherder · 04-06-2022, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cirelaw

The both have wrong toggles! Heres a 1902 toggle`

The Red Book 'Baby' toggle knob more resembles the Swiss toggle, I think...The 'Pocket Parabellum' as it is called in the Red Book, is headlined as "The Pocket Parabellum of 1925/6", and is noted as being developed after Luger's death in 1923. Also after the introduction of the knurled toggle knobs.

Heinz · 04-06-2022, 05:38 PM

Sheepherder, does the Red book "baby" have a GL hallmark?

sheepherder · 04-07-2022, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Heinz

Sheepherder, does the Red book "baby" have a GL hallmark?

The text for ser#4 (the pic above) does not say, and there is no pic of the rear of the frame/bbl extension. It does say that August Weiss testified that 'four or five'...prototypes were made up under BKIW's then chief engineer Heinrich Hoffmann, ca 1925/6.

There is additional discussion of fakes/repros being made for a prominent Phoenix AZ Luger dealer as well as a "prominent West Coast dealer and Parabellum copyist". I have no idea who those two might be, but IIRC, Mike Krause made a copy of the 'Pocket Parabellum' based on ser#4...

TBLAP; interesting reading. But at 1888 pages, an arduous task.

04-04-2022, 09:32 PM	#1
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Georg Lugers' Baby Luger Sold! https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...ototype-pistol Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

04-04-2022, 10:28 PM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,183 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	The *real* 'Baby Luger'...Gortz & Sturgess; Dead Ends & Curiosa... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

04-05-2022, 01:01 AM	#6
MFC User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 183 Thanked 281 Times in 162 Posts	I doubt that a GL hallmarked Luger would have spliced grips. It shows it was from the "RS" collection in Kenyon's book. IMO, someone paid $92000 for a replica. __________________ Mike C.

04-05-2022, 07:12 PM	#10
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Ralph's Luger pictured at 'Lugers At Random' and on his wall taken by Ted!!! Attached Thumbnails

04-05-2022, 10:00 PM	#12
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	The both have wrong toggles! Heres a 1902 toggle` Attached Thumbnails Attached Images

04-04-2022, 11:40 PM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Confusing! At Least Gives Some Background! Something Smells! https://www.proxibid.com/Pistols/Sem...ation/49407145

04-05-2022, 12:13 AM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I Agree Copys. There is an video comparing the counterfeit 'GL' https://www.forgottenweapons.com/aut...-script-luger/

04-05-2022, 09:55 AM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Caveat Emptor, Latin For Buyer Beware!!!! Law Suit Time!!!!

04-05-2022, 03:25 PM	#8
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 731 Thanks: 2,095 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	The Proxybid page says it sold for $150,000

04-05-2022, 07:04 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I Wish We Could Get A Picture to Compare!

04-05-2022, 09:20 PM	#11
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Check Out Rear Toggle link` Looks Modern!

04-06-2022, 04:38 PM	#13
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Ralph had a lot of strange and wonderful things, made very far from Berlin. Butt he would always give you your money back if you did not like it. He would tell the next buyer that the money he gave back was what he paid for it.

04-06-2022, 05:38 PM	#15
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Sheepherder, does the Red book "baby" have a GL hallmark?