Dutch East Indies Luger Question

nick5873 · 07-02-2022, 03:04 PM

Hello all!
Very pleased to pick up this early first contract 1911 Dutch East Indies Luger. Can anyone help me with unit markings?

Thanks!!
Nick

Mac Cat · 07-02-2022, 04:19 PM

This is what I found.
I don't know much about Dutch lugers....

THE DUTCH LUGER
Bas J. Martens an Guns de Vries (1994)
P.179 Dutch East Indies Army, 1939

The Dutch received lugers from both Vickers Ltd and later DWM.
They called it the "M-11"

Bar. III - Barisan Corps, Sumenep (korps barisan te Pemakasan)

I think the “1” is for the “1st Company” or some similar small unit

“10” refers to the location, on the far eastern side of the Java
It’s actually a separate smaller island. The cities are still there.

On one reference map, they show “10” as Bangkalan (p 174) which is on the western end of the smaller island. But, it may just be the way they were listing locations, not associated with the stamped number.
But on p 179, they clearly say Sumenep with "Bar III", which is on the eastern end of the smaller island.

nick5873 · 07-02-2022, 04:42 PM

Thanks so much for the info!

Mac Cat · 07-02-2022, 04:52 PM

It was a good find!
It looks like it's called a 1906 Dutch
9mm
They were built in 1912
The crown over "W" proof mark on the right side is for "Queen Wilhelmina"
Serial numbers ranged from 1-4181
The magazine was an unmarked nickel-plated with wood bottom.
The chamber should be blank

Do you have a photo of the toggle ?
Is it a DWM ?

nick5873 · 07-02-2022, 05:16 PM

Thanks! Yup, DWM marked. All matching except the takedown lever and the magazine, which unfortunately isn’t the Dutch pattern.

Edward Tinker · 07-02-2022, 07:19 PM

I have always liked the dutch lugers, yours is very nice and an earlier contract one

gunnertwo · 07-02-2022, 08:35 PM

I was watching that also. I think you paid a fair price. One is on my list but I want a Vickers example. That will complete the type list of manufactures for me.

Here's a link to The Dutch Luger book:

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title2

G2

spangy · 07-06-2022, 12:49 AM

Very nice nick5873

You've done well.

07-02-2022, 03:04 PM	#1
nick5873 New User Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Dutch East Indies Luger Question Hello all! Very pleased to pick up this early first contract 1911 Dutch East Indies Luger. Can anyone help me with unit markings? Thanks!! Nick Attached Thumbnails

07-02-2022, 04:19 PM	#2
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 733 Thanks: 2,100 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	This is what I found. I don't know much about Dutch lugers.... THE DUTCH LUGER Bas J. Martens an Guns de Vries (1994) P.179 Dutch East Indies Army, 1939 The Dutch received lugers from both Vickers Ltd and later DWM. They called it the "M-11" Bar. III - Barisan Corps, Sumenep (korps barisan te Pemakasan) I think the “1” is for the “1st Company” or some similar small unit “10” refers to the location, on the far eastern side of the Java It’s actually a separate smaller island. The cities are still there. On one reference map, they show “10” as Bangkalan (p 174) which is on the western end of the smaller island. But, it may just be the way they were listing locations, not associated with the stamped number. But on p 179, they clearly say Sumenep with "Bar III", which is on the eastern end of the smaller island. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Mac Cat; 07-02-2022 at 09:32 PM. Reason: typos

07-02-2022, 05:16 PM	#5
nick5873 New User Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks! Yup, DWM marked. All matching except the takedown lever and the magazine, which unfortunately isn’t the Dutch pattern. Attached Thumbnails

07-06-2022, 12:49 AM	#8
spangy Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 617 Thanks: 3,065 Thanked 1,057 Times in 429 Posts	Very nice nick5873 You've done well. __________________ Whoever said that "money can't buy you happiness" never bought a Luger. WTB - Take Down Lever & Trigger Plate (#90) for an Imperial Artillery.

07-02-2022, 04:42 PM	#3
nick5873 New User Join Date: Jul 2022 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 3 Posts	Thanks so much for the info!

07-02-2022, 04:52 PM	#4
Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 733 Thanks: 2,100 Thanked 610 Times in 329 Posts	It was a good find! It looks like it's called a 1906 Dutch 9mm They were built in 1912 The crown over "W" proof mark on the right side is for "Queen Wilhelmina" Serial numbers ranged from 1-4181 The magazine was an unmarked nickel-plated with wood bottom. The chamber should be blank Do you have a photo of the toggle ? Is it a DWM ?

07-02-2022, 07:19 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I have always liked the dutch lugers, yours is very nice and an earlier contract one

07-02-2022, 08:35 PM	#7
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 623 Thanks: 826 Thanked 930 Times in 363 Posts	I was watching that also. I think you paid a fair price. One is on my list but I want a Vickers example. That will complete the type list of manufactures for me. Here's a link to The Dutch Luger book: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title2 G2