Last year for DWM logo?

velodog455~ · 01-08-2024, 10:28 AM

I'm thinking the last year you would see a DWM logo on the toggle would be either 1929 or 1930. Is that correct?

Dwight Gruber · 01-09-2024, 07:55 PM

For parts manufacture, that would be correct. For actual assembled pistols, as late as 1936-1938 depending on some details. Anything with a Crown/crown/U proof mark is post-1930 assembly.

--Dwight

velodog455~ · 01-10-2024, 10:09 AM

Thanks, Dwight. I'm looking at a Commercial Alphabet model with Crown-N and of course no military proofs (and no GERMANY stamp) but it does have a DWM toggle.

I can make out the S/N in the seller's photo but not the suffix. Emailed him and he says it is a "y" suffix but that doesn't sound right to me.

-Bob

Doubs · 01-10-2024, 12:14 PM

According to Gortz & Sturgess, the DWM toggles ended at approximately 1500 ~ 1550 in the v suffix range.

They do note, however, that BKIW did a final clear out of all old DWM parts in the late 1930's - as stated by Dwight - and that raises the question of an odd DWM toggle being used as late as the y suffix range. It would require a hands on examination of the Luger in question to determine if it's an all matching original or something else.

I'd ask the seller for a better picture.

velodog455~ · 01-10-2024, 03:36 PM

Thanks Dwight & Doubs for chiming in. I've thrown a low bid out. If I get it for a shooter grade price I'll be happy. If not then oh well.

I think it is probably an early '30's pistol with a leftover or replacement toggle, but that is by no means certain.

Weimar Schutzpolizei Police Academy cadets were given a P.08 and a belt w/holster. Were those Lugers commercial, or true police Lugers? I can find almost nothing about the Police Academies.

-Bob

01-08-2024, 10:28 AM	#1
velodog455~ User Join Date: Aug 2023 Posts: 76 Thanks: 18 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	Last year for DWM logo? I'm thinking the last year you would see a DWM logo on the toggle would be either 1929 or 1930. Is that correct?

01-09-2024, 07:55 PM	#2
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,318 Times in 431 Posts	For parts manufacture, that would be correct. For actual assembled pistols, as late as 1936-1938 depending on some details. Anything with a Crown/crown/U proof mark is post-1930 assembly. --Dwight

01-10-2024, 10:09 AM	#3
velodog455~ User Join Date: Aug 2023 Posts: 76 Thanks: 18 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	Thanks, Dwight. I'm looking at a Commercial Alphabet model with Crown-N and of course no military proofs (and no GERMANY stamp) but it does have a DWM toggle. I can make out the S/N in the seller's photo but not the suffix. Emailed him and he says it is a "y" suffix but that doesn't sound right to me. -Bob

01-10-2024, 12:14 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	According to Gortz & Sturgess, the DWM toggles ended at approximately 1500 ~ 1550 in the v suffix range. They do note, however, that BKIW did a final clear out of all old DWM parts in the late 1930's - as stated by Dwight - and that raises the question of an odd DWM toggle being used as late as the y suffix range. It would require a hands on examination of the Luger in question to determine if it's an all matching original or something else. I'd ask the seller for a better picture.

01-10-2024, 03:36 PM	#5
velodog455~ User Join Date: Aug 2023 Posts: 76 Thanks: 18 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	Thanks Dwight & Doubs for chiming in. I've thrown a low bid out. If I get it for a shooter grade price I'll be happy. If not then oh well. I think it is probably an early '30's pistol with a leftover or replacement toggle, but that is by no means certain. Weimar Schutzpolizei Police Academy cadets were given a P.08 and a belt w/holster. Were those Lugers commercial, or true police Lugers? I can find almost nothing about the Police Academies. -Bob