Help needed..markings

Marc · 07-28-2002, 03:47 PM

Hello Everyone,

I am trying to identify a some markings on my 1916 DWM P08.

The first pic shows a "8,82" stamp on the barrel (between the ser# on the barrel and the ser# on the frame).

The 2nd and 3rd pics show the markings on the right side of the receiver. I compared with the exemple on the lugerforum and, the closer match I was able to make is with (proof2)#15 "German military receiver proof. Found on DWM Lugers 1914-1918" except that the 1rst (left) stamp doesn't match!!

Any ideas what they mean??

Thanks a lot in advance

Marc

Frank · 07-28-2002, 04:35 PM

Hi Marc, The 8,82 is the measurement of the bore land diameter in millimeters. The right side marks Crown/H, Crown/S, Crown/S are inspection acceptance stamps and the last eagle is a proof stamp. All pretty common on a 1916 DWM. Hope this helps! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Roadkill · 07-28-2002, 05:03 PM

Afternoon, Marc. The markings as well as I can make out are standard military, given the artist's
detail. Add to it that you have a standard mid war
production gun which was mass produced, variations are uncommon. The 8.82 is the inside bore diameter. The variance between the 8.82 & 9mm is not significant. Lugers were exceptionally well made but the one you have (and it looks great) is a typical mid war production item, the variances in tolerances were quite acceptable for military use. Ask and some of the pros here will let us know what the parameters of inside bore diameters were. 8.82 is fairly commom.

RK

Doubs · 07-28-2002, 05:56 PM

Marc, as Frank has already said, the 8,82 indicates the bore diameter or the distance from the top of one land to the top of an opposing land. 8,82 converts to .347 inches. If each land is .004" deep and they oppose each other, that adds an extra .008" and makes it .355" which is the groove diameter. The diameter of jacketed 9mm Luger bullets is .355" so your bore is very close to having perfect dimentions. If your bore is in good condition, I wouldn't be surprised if it was very accurate.

Pete Ebbink · 07-28-2002, 08:40 PM

Marc,

Nice gun and great photo of that "halo" effect that has been previously discussed...

Pete

Marc · 07-29-2002, 12:14 AM

Thanks guys for the replies.

I'm a little bit more knowledgeable....

About the halo effect and the pics...I'm not what anyone would consider a good photographer (took me about 30 shots to get 3 good ones) <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />

Thanks for the compliment on my Luger...I included this pic of the whole pistol. I inherited this Luger. It's got it's original finish (never been re-worked,re-blued..), all parts have matching ser# incl magazine. Didn't really knew what it was until I started looking for info on Lugers.

Anyway, Thanks again everyone.

Marc

kidvett · 07-31-2002, 05:49 AM

Hi Marc,

Nice pistol! Any story that goes with it?

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

Marc · 08-01-2002, 01:24 AM

Hi Kidvett,

Once upon a time, there were 3 little pigs hehe [img]biggrin.gif[/img] just kidding

I don't really have any stories related to this Luger except for this:

I inherited this Luger from my dad. He, in turn, purchased it from a Mr. Joseph P.A. Lajoie in Longueuil, Que on Nov 29, 1972. This Mr Lajoie was a Master Warrant Officer with the Canadian Air Force in Europe during WWII. The details of how he got the Luger are a little sketchy but basically, he somehow "aquired" the Luger and brought it back to Canada only to keep it until the day he sold it to my father (Sorry but no dead german officer stories <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" /> )

I just think I'm lucky to have Mr Lajoie's and my Dad's registration certificates since it traces the history of the pistol all the way back to WWII. I (unsuccesfully) tried to trace Mr Lajoie's family to get more details as to how he got it...ie poker game or dead german officer story [img]wink.gif[/img] !!

Anyway that's it for now..

Cheers <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Marc sends

kidvett · 08-01-2002, 06:25 AM

Hello there,

It's always interesting to get a bit of story with the pistol, especially when it is a WWI pistol captured in WWII in that condition....

I have a couple of nice pistols with stories....One of them is a BYF 43 P-38 RIG that I bought directly from the old Italian man ( a young soldier back then ) that shot ( headshot that was ) the German Officer to `` capture `` his pistol with holster. A nice pistol with a nice story
[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

07-28-2002, 03:47 PM	#1
Marc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help needed..markings Hello Everyone, I am trying to identify a some markings on my 1916 DWM P08. The first pic shows a "8,82" stamp on the barrel (between the ser# on the barrel and the ser# on the frame). The 2nd and 3rd pics show the markings on the right side of the receiver. I compared with the exemple on the lugerforum and, the closer match I was able to make is with (proof2)#15 "German military receiver proof. Found on DWM Lugers 1914-1918" except that the 1rst (left) stamp doesn't match!! Any ideas what they mean?? Thanks a lot in advance Marc

07-28-2002, 04:35 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Marc, The 8,82 is the measurement of the bore land diameter in millimeters. The right side marks Crown/H, Crown/S, Crown/S are inspection acceptance stamps and the last eagle is a proof stamp. All pretty common on a 1916 DWM. Hope this helps! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

07-28-2002, 05:03 PM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Afternoon, Marc. The markings as well as I can make out are standard military, given the artist's detail. Add to it that you have a standard mid war production gun which was mass produced, variations are uncommon. The 8.82 is the inside bore diameter. The variance between the 8.82 & 9mm is not significant. Lugers were exceptionally well made but the one you have (and it looks great) is a typical mid war production item, the variances in tolerances were quite acceptable for military use. Ask and some of the pros here will let us know what the parameters of inside bore diameters were. 8.82 is fairly commom. RK

07-28-2002, 05:56 PM	#4
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 792 Thanked 1,692 Times in 555 Posts	Marc, as Frank has already said, the 8,82 indicates the bore diameter or the distance from the top of one land to the top of an opposing land. 8,82 converts to .347 inches. If each land is .004" deep and they oppose each other, that adds an extra .008" and makes it .355" which is the groove diameter. The diameter of jacketed 9mm Luger bullets is .355" so your bore is very close to having perfect dimentions. If your bore is in good condition, I wouldn't be surprised if it was very accurate.

07-28-2002, 08:40 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Marc, Nice gun and great photo of that "halo" effect that has been previously discussed... Pete

07-29-2002, 12:14 AM	#6
Marc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks guys for the replies. I'm a little bit more knowledgeable.... About the halo effect and the pics...I'm not what anyone would consider a good photographer (took me about 30 shots to get 3 good ones) <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> Thanks for the compliment on my Luger...I included this pic of the whole pistol. I inherited this Luger. It's got it's original finish (never been re-worked,re-blued..), all parts have matching ser# incl magazine. Didn't really knew what it was until I started looking for info on Lugers. Anyway, Thanks again everyone. Marc

07-31-2002, 05:49 AM	#7
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hi Marc, Nice pistol! Any story that goes with it? kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]

08-01-2002, 01:24 AM	#8
Marc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi Kidvett, Once upon a time, there were 3 little pigs hehe [img]biggrin.gif[/img] just kidding I don't really have any stories related to this Luger except for this: I inherited this Luger from my dad. He, in turn, purchased it from a Mr. Joseph P.A. Lajoie in Longueuil, Que on Nov 29, 1972. This Mr Lajoie was a Master Warrant Officer with the Canadian Air Force in Europe during WWII. The details of how he got the Luger are a little sketchy but basically, he somehow "aquired" the Luger and brought it back to Canada only to keep it until the day he sold it to my father (Sorry but no dead german officer stories <img src="graemlins/a_smil17.gif" border="0" alt="[blabla]" /> ) I just think I'm lucky to have Mr Lajoie's and my Dad's registration certificates since it traces the history of the pistol all the way back to WWII. I (unsuccesfully) tried to trace Mr Lajoie's family to get more details as to how he got it...ie poker game or dead german officer story [img]wink.gif[/img] !! Anyway that's it for now.. Cheers <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> Marc sends

08-01-2002, 06:25 AM	#9
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello there, It's always interesting to get a bit of story with the pistol, especially when it is a WWI pistol captured in WWII in that condition.... I have a couple of nice pistols with stories....One of them is a BYF 43 P-38 RIG that I bought directly from the old Italian man ( a young soldier back then ) that shot ( headshot that was ) the German Officer to `` capture `` his pistol with holster. A nice pistol with a nice story [img]biggrin.gif[/img] kidvett [img]cool.gif[/img]