Weird Police Luger

Charlie S. · 06-13-2004, 12:53 AM

Long Story. My grandfather has a Luger that he got in WWII which he has used to introduce me to handguns. A man at the range, who seemed quite knowlegable about Lugers, told us that it was a police Luger of the East African police force. How an Oberst in the Wermacht got his hands on it is a mystery. Anyway, all the parts match, and the kind man was able to tell us it was made by DWM-this makes sense, as the Waffenmant on the side is W2A66, making it a 1929 DWM made gun. Now the weird part- It has no markings on the hump area atop the gun above the trigger. It should have a DWM logo there, right? Nothing has been ground off, and everything on the gun is original and matching. Pics soon. Who makes good ammo for a luger? Is the Wolf stuff ok?

Charlie S. · 06-13-2004, 12:57 AM

I actually meant that there is no logo on what I, due to my lack of knowlage, would call the slider. Check out the thread before this one-same kind of luger (better condition though). Sorry.

policeluger · 06-13-2004, 01:14 AM

Sounds like a "sneak" Luger, and can be correct not to have the DWM logo, I say can, pictures and serial number with suffex will help ID this gun.

Ron Smith · 06-13-2004, 09:40 AM

Charlie, The "slider" is called a toggle. Everything is a learning process. Don't be apprehensive about asking questions. Hurry and post some photos. Want to see it!

Ron

Charlie S. · 06-13-2004, 10:37 PM

Ok here are the pics. Some of them are a little dark, so it looks a bit dirtier than it truly is. The strawing as you can see is pretty bad but the bluing is swell. What does "sneak" mean from a literal and a collecor standpoint?

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Charlie S. · 06-13-2004, 10:43 PM

Almost forgot-A picture of the top.

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policeluger · 06-13-2004, 11:02 PM

You have a great blank toggle/chamber sneak police that would look nicer in my safe than yours... "Landjagerei Schleswig (weapon #)161"...not Luger number 161...but weapon #...thanks so much for the pictures!....sneak means produced aginst treaty of WW1 outlawing productin of guns

Charlie S. · 06-13-2004, 11:54 PM

What is a good way to store antique firearms? Right now they ( 1924 Colt .45, byf 43 P38, and the Luger) are in pistol rugs. How should I store them so that they do not degrade?

policeluger · 06-14-2004, 01:20 AM

Get them out of the rugs now!, mine sit on a safe shelf and rubbed with a light oil rag once and a while

Charlie S. · 06-14-2004, 01:28 AM

Thanks for the suggestion. Dont have a safe, though. How about a metal case with some dessicant or something? I want something airtight and dry I would assume. We have some rifles-including K98 bringback that is worth preserving- so some sort of safe really probably is best.

John Sabato · 06-14-2004, 11:02 AM

Nice Gun Charlie... and yes, a metal case with some dessicant (not touching the guns) should be fine. I recommend that you rub them down with oil on a soft cloth once in a while, but try not to get oil on the wood.

Congrats on a fine Luger.

Charlie S. · 06-14-2004, 02:08 PM

Thank you all for your tips and information.

Lugerdoc · 06-14-2004, 04:09 PM

Charlie, Nice photos of your 1929 BKIW sneak. Thanks, TH

Charlie S. · 06-14-2004, 06:38 PM

Lugerdoc, what does BKIW mean? And what does the condition of "sneak" have on the value of a Luger?

Vlim · 06-14-2004, 09:01 PM

Hi,

BKIW stands for
"Berlin-Karlsruher Industrie Werke" and was the name adopted by DWM on may 30th, 1932. The name was abandoned on the june 30th, 1936 when the old DWM name (Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken) was reinstated.

Edward Tinker · 06-14-2004, 11:18 PM

Sneak is a term that many collectors use for the guns produced during the late 20's early 1930's. It is not actually known if DWM was doing it on purpose to hide them, or if it was because they were switching over to Mauser? Most people believe the first version, as it seems likely.

I don't beleive value is affected too much, but maybe $100 to some collectors?

Ed

06-13-2004, 12:53 AM	#1
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Weird Police Luger Long Story. My grandfather has a Luger that he got in WWII which he has used to introduce me to handguns. A man at the range, who seemed quite knowlegable about Lugers, told us that it was a police Luger of the East African police force. How an Oberst in the Wermacht got his hands on it is a mystery. Anyway, all the parts match, and the kind man was able to tell us it was made by DWM-this makes sense, as the Waffenmant on the side is W2A66, making it a 1929 DWM made gun. Now the weird part- It has no markings on the hump area atop the gun above the trigger. It should have a DWM logo there, right? Nothing has been ground off, and everything on the gun is original and matching. Pics soon. Who makes good ammo for a luger? Is the Wolf stuff ok?

06-13-2004, 09:40 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Charlie, The "slider" is called a toggle. Everything is a learning process. Don't be apprehensive about asking questions. Hurry and post some photos. Want to see it! Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-14-2004, 11:02 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Nice Gun Charlie... and yes, a metal case with some dessicant (not touching the guns) should be fine. I recommend that you rub them down with oil on a soft cloth once in a while, but try not to get oil on the wood. Congrats on a fine Luger. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-14-2004, 04:09 PM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Charlie, Nice photos of your 1929 BKIW sneak. Thanks, TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

06-14-2004, 11:18 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Sneak is a term that many collectors use for the guns produced during the late 20's early 1930's. It is not actually known if DWM was doing it on purpose to hide them, or if it was because they were switching over to Mauser? Most people believe the first version, as it seems likely. I don't beleive value is affected too much, but maybe $100 to some collectors? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-13-2004, 12:57 AM	#2
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I actually meant that there is no logo on what I, due to my lack of knowlage, would call the slider. Check out the thread before this one-same kind of luger (better condition though). Sorry.

06-13-2004, 01:14 AM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Sounds like a "sneak" Luger, and can be correct not to have the DWM logo, I say can, pictures and serial number with suffex will help ID this gun.

06-13-2004, 10:37 PM	#5
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok here are the pics. Some of them are a little dark, so it looks a bit dirtier than it truly is. The strawing as you can see is pretty bad but the bluing is swell. What does "sneak" mean from a literal and a collecor standpoint? <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_bbl.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_bbl.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_front.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_front.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a> <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_grip.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_grip.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

06-13-2004, 10:43 PM	#6
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Almost forgot-A picture of the top. <a href="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_top.jpg" target="_fullview"><img src="http://forums.lugerforum.com/lfupload/cs_top.jpg" width="400" alt="Click for fullsize image" /></a>

06-13-2004, 11:02 PM	#7
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	You have a great blank toggle/chamber sneak police that would look nicer in my safe than yours... "Landjagerei Schleswig (weapon #)161"...not Luger number 161...but weapon #...thanks so much for the pictures!....sneak means produced aginst treaty of WW1 outlawing productin of guns

06-13-2004, 11:54 PM	#8
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What is a good way to store antique firearms? Right now they ( 1924 Colt .45, byf 43 P38, and the Luger) are in pistol rugs. How should I store them so that they do not degrade?

06-14-2004, 01:20 AM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Get them out of the rugs now!, mine sit on a safe shelf and rubbed with a light oil rag once and a while

06-14-2004, 01:28 AM	#10
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the suggestion. Dont have a safe, though. How about a metal case with some dessicant or something? I want something airtight and dry I would assume. We have some rifles-including K98 bringback that is worth preserving- so some sort of safe really probably is best.

06-14-2004, 02:08 PM	#12
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you all for your tips and information.

06-14-2004, 06:38 PM	#14
Charlie S. User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Winnetka IL Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugerdoc, what does BKIW mean? And what does the condition of "sneak" have on the value of a Luger?

06-14-2004, 09:01 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,989 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, BKIW stands for "Berlin-Karlsruher Industrie Werke" and was the name adopted by DWM on may 30th, 1932. The name was abandoned on the june 30th, 1936 when the old DWM name (Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken) was reinstated.