glaukonit

Roadkill · 11-17-2003, 09:39 PM

Glaukonit

This term was directly related to Krieghoff WWII firearms. Any guesses?

rk

John D. · 11-17-2003, 10:45 PM

Sure...

How about a code name (it's contained in hundreds of Nazi period documents during that era in time)....

BTW: Any guesses as to how that code came to being - and why???

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drbuster · 11-18-2003, 12:21 AM

Haven't a clue, John D. Can you enlighted us much less knowledgable than you regarding HK facts? I've already learned so much from you so far that you only whetted my appetite for more HK stuff.

Roadkill · 11-18-2003, 04:42 AM

John D., you should at least make this look hard.
Post away. I've got the info but its all in German.

rk

H.P.Langenbach · 11-18-2003, 06:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Roadkill:
John D., you should at least make this look hard.
Post away. I've got the info but its all in German.

rk<hr /></blockquote>Hello friends

what I have found about "Glaukonit" is that it is the name of a mineral as specified below.
@Roadkill: Maybe you can post me the info you have got in German and I try to translate it.
regards from germany
Peter

Glauconite
VIII - Phyllosilicates (Mica Group)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Name Glauconite
Chemistry (K,Na)(Fe3+,Al,Mg)2[(OH)2|(SiAl)4O10]
Hardness 2
Lustre dull
Colour olive green, black green, bluish green
Streak white
Density [g/cm3] 2.2 - 2.8
Crystal habit monoclinic, crystals tiny
Cleavage, Fracture
other characteristics and occurrences glauconite = Fe-rich illite
also grained, earthy, foliated, in marine sediments close to the coast

rk[/QB][/QUOTE]

Roadkill · 11-18-2003, 06:40 AM

Herr Langenbach, please check your private mesages.

rk

H.P.Langenbach · 11-18-2003, 08:48 AM

Hello Randall, please check your private mesage
Peter

John D. · 11-18-2003, 10:17 AM

Hi Doc, RK, Peter..!

Actually - the answer is kind of simple... First - there were "code words" for designated safe or "secret" areas within Germany - tunnels, factories, quarries, bunkers, mines - I believe even some cellars in breweries were designated as such. Krieghoff, Carl Zeiss, BMW, Dornier - and many suppliers facilities & their hidden locations were given these secret codes. These "code names" should not to be confused with "manufacturer codes" such as "fzs" or "byf", etc...

Anyway, many of these code words were developed from the local geological or countryside attributes. For Krieghoff specifically - you'd need to know a little about the surrounding area and it's history. So.....

Suhl was one of the primary firearms manufacturing areas for Germany going back as far as mid-1600s, I believe. Primarily, is was due to the the local geology being rich in Iron - so iron mining in that area was prevalent (actually - mining in that area continued even through the 1930s and 40s). I also believe, there were several foundries - most notably in surrounding towns, such as Vesser, where the iron would be forged and supplied to the local gun manufacturers in Suhl.

As Peter correctly notes - the chemical composition of "glaukonit" is iron rich (highly concentrated with Fe), which gives Glaukonit it's greenish tint.

Anyway - maybe RK and Peter will add what they found, which may provide even more insight...

BTW.. Great thread RK! And Peter, my thanks for adding the post about the chemical properties and your offer to assist with his translation!!!

- John D.

Roadkill · 11-18-2003, 11:27 AM

Right on John D. Here is a part of a PM from Peter:

Topic: Glaukonit

H.P.Langenbach

Registered User
Member # 1425
posted 11-18-2003 07:46

Good morning Randall,

how are you doing at this early morning. Here it is actually two hours
past noon.

What you have found is a list or data bank for so called treasure
searchers (is it understood?)and it provides all the code names of
WWII secret places, mostly subterranean, which are used by the
Third Reich for secret manufacturing and/or storage.
In this case, GLAUKONIT indeed is the code name of an old mine near
SUHL, a town in East Germany, and used by KRIEGHOFF Waffenfabrik.
Whether for manufacturing or storage is not known.

"Stollen" means part of the mine.

rk

Lugerdoc · 11-18-2003, 12:01 PM

If stored underground too long, I sure that most lugers would be found with "Glauk" (Gunk) on it. TH

John D. · 11-18-2003, 12:34 PM

Oh - just fine Tom..! Well - there goes my fantasy of finding a crate of "minty new" HK Lugers stashed in their secret hiding place for the past 55+ years..!!

Heh..!!!

Also, RK....

Any chance you can post that document??? If you can scan it in, I'll help you post it..??

Roadkill · 11-18-2003, 01:35 PM

Here 'tis

http://www.schatzsucher.net/datenbank/objekte.htm

rk

H.P.Langenbach · 11-19-2003, 05:05 AM

Hi friends,
following a brief translation of the preface of the data bank provided by rk.

This table has been compiled especially for treasure detectors and does not contain either tunnels, tank farm or other overground secret objects. The author wants to draw special attention onto the condition of the objects as well as onto their accessibility. The reader is asked to provide information about other objects of this kind to make sure this list becomes continuously better.
I think it needs not to be mentioned that the search and can be very dangerous (Collapses, explosives, arms, etc.). Therefore consider all safty precautions and keep the laws.
Wish a lot of fun during the (worthwhile) search.
In case you know further objects, please let us know. The details will be incorporated in the list immediately.

most cordially
Henry Hatt

John D. · 11-19-2003, 01:10 PM

Hello Peter,

Thank you so much for the translation!!! Of course, now I want to go visit those areas

Also - I want to find the secret areas that are not documented - yet. Maybe my crate of new WW2 Lugers is waiting for me in an undiscovered tunnel..!!

My best to you - and our thanks again for taking the time to translate that page!

- John D.

Roadkill · 11-19-2003, 09:28 PM

John D., so there definitely were secret tunnels, these tunnels were sealed at the end of/during WWII, most likely weren't emptied before being closed, I'd say there is a very good chance there is a crate of new Lugers somewhere.

rk

lmilage · 12-12-2003, 01:36 AM

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1325/

Tunnel Research in Germany today, Extensive site on projects happening as I write this.
Plenty of photos, enjoy.

Edward Tinker · 12-12-2003, 02:13 AM

cool, always heard of these stories while over there.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ed

Carl · 12-12-2003, 11:35 PM

RK,
Downloaded that site you posted and got a porn site. What goes?
Carl

Edward Tinker · 12-13-2003, 01:00 AM

I don't know Carl, it took me to the tunnel research site? Both times?

Ed

John D. · 12-13-2003, 01:27 PM

Me too?? Carl - you may want to check your system with something like "Ad Aware" or "Spybot - Search & Destroy" - both are free downloads.. (Just search in Google for either, OK??)...

11-17-2003, 09:39 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	glaukonit Glaukonit This term was directly related to Krieghoff WWII firearms. Any guesses? rk

11-18-2003, 06:24 AM	#5
H.P.Langenbach User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Roadkill: <strong>John D., you should at least make this look hard. Post away. I've got the info but its all in German. rk</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Hello friends what I have found about "Glaukonit" is that it is the name of a mineral as specified below. @Roadkill: Maybe you can post me the info you have got in German and I try to translate it. regards from germany Peter Glauconite VIII - Phyllosilicates (Mica Group) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Glauconite Chemistry (K,Na)(Fe3+,Al,Mg)2[(OH)2\|(SiAl)4O10] Hardness 2 Lustre dull Colour olive green, black green, bluish green Streak white Density [g/cm3] 2.2 - 2.8 Crystal habit monoclinic, crystals tiny Cleavage, Fracture other characteristics and occurrences glauconite = Fe-rich illite also grained, earthy, foliated, in marine sediments close to the coast rk[/QB][/QUOTE]

11-18-2003, 12:01 PM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	If stored underground too long, I sure that most lugers would be found with "Glauk" (Gunk) on it. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 [email protected]

12-12-2003, 02:13 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	cool, always heard of these stories while over there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-13-2003, 01:00 AM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,033 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	I don't know Carl, it took me to the tunnel research site? Both times? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-17-2003, 10:45 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Sure... How about a code name (it's contained in hundreds of Nazi period documents during that era in time).... BTW: Any guesses as to how that code came to being - and why??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

11-18-2003, 12:21 AM	#3
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Haven't a clue, John D. Can you enlighted us much less knowledgable than you regarding HK facts? I've already learned so much from you so far that you only whetted my appetite for more HK stuff.

11-18-2003, 04:42 AM	#4
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	John D., you should at least make this look hard. Post away. I've got the info but its all in German. rk

11-18-2003, 06:40 AM	#6
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Herr Langenbach, please check your private mesages. rk

11-18-2003, 08:48 AM	#7
H.P.Langenbach User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Randall, please check your private mesage Peter

11-18-2003, 10:17 AM	#8
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hi Doc, RK, Peter..! Actually - the answer is kind of simple... First - there were "code words" for designated safe or "secret" areas within Germany - tunnels, factories, quarries, bunkers, mines - I believe even some cellars in breweries were designated as such. Krieghoff, Carl Zeiss, BMW, Dornier - and many suppliers facilities & their hidden locations were given these secret codes. These "code names" should not to be confused with "manufacturer codes" such as "fzs" or "byf", etc... Anyway, many of these code words were developed from the local geological or countryside attributes. For Krieghoff specifically - you'd need to know a little about the surrounding area and it's history. So..... Suhl was one of the primary firearms manufacturing areas for Germany going back as far as mid-1600s, I believe. Primarily, is was due to the the local geology being rich in Iron - so iron mining in that area was prevalent (actually - mining in that area continued even through the 1930s and 40s). I also believe, there were several foundries - most notably in surrounding towns, such as Vesser, where the iron would be forged and supplied to the local gun manufacturers in Suhl. As Peter correctly notes - the chemical composition of "glaukonit" is iron rich (highly concentrated with Fe), which gives Glaukonit it's greenish tint. Anyway - maybe RK and Peter will add what they found, which may provide even more insight... BTW.. Great thread RK! And Peter, my thanks for adding the post about the chemical properties and your offer to assist with his translation!!! - John D.

11-18-2003, 11:27 AM	#9
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Right on John D. Here is a part of a PM from Peter: Topic: Glaukonit H.P.Langenbach Registered User Member # 1425 posted 11-18-2003 07:46 Good morning Randall, how are you doing at this early morning. Here it is actually two hours past noon. What you have found is a list or data bank for so called treasure searchers (is it understood?)and it provides all the code names of WWII secret places, mostly subterranean, which are used by the Third Reich for secret manufacturing and/or storage. In this case, GLAUKONIT indeed is the code name of an old mine near SUHL, a town in East Germany, and used by KRIEGHOFF Waffenfabrik. Whether for manufacturing or storage is not known. "Stollen" means part of the mine. rk

11-18-2003, 12:34 PM	#11
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Oh - just fine Tom..! Well - there goes my fantasy of finding a crate of "minty new" HK Lugers stashed in their secret hiding place for the past 55+ years..!! Heh..!!! Also, RK.... Any chance you can post that document??? If you can scan it in, I'll help you post it..??

11-18-2003, 01:35 PM	#12
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Here 'tis http://www.schatzsucher.net/datenbank/objekte.htm rk

11-19-2003, 05:05 AM	#13
H.P.Langenbach User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi friends, following a brief translation of the preface of the data bank provided by rk. This table has been compiled especially for treasure detectors and does not contain either tunnels, tank farm or other overground secret objects. The author wants to draw special attention onto the condition of the objects as well as onto their accessibility. The reader is asked to provide information about other objects of this kind to make sure this list becomes continuously better. I think it needs not to be mentioned that the search and can be very dangerous (Collapses, explosives, arms, etc.). Therefore consider all safty precautions and keep the laws. Wish a lot of fun during the (worthwhile) search. In case you know further objects, please let us know. The details will be incorporated in the list immediately. most cordially Henry Hatt

11-19-2003, 01:10 PM	#14
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Hello Peter, Thank you so much for the translation!!! Of course, now I want to go visit those areas Also - I want to find the secret areas that are not documented - yet. Maybe my crate of new WW2 Lugers is waiting for me in an undiscovered tunnel..!! My best to you - and our thanks again for taking the time to translate that page! - John D.

11-19-2003, 09:28 PM	#15
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	John D., so there definitely were secret tunnels, these tunnels were sealed at the end of/during WWII, most likely weren't emptied before being closed, I'd say there is a very good chance there is a crate of new Lugers somewhere. rk

12-12-2003, 01:36 AM	#16
lmilage New User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1325/ Tunnel Research in Germany today, Extensive site on projects happening as I write this. Plenty of photos, enjoy.

12-12-2003, 11:35 PM	#18
Carl User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Central PA Posts: 113 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	RK, Downloaded that site you posted and got a porn site. What goes? Carl

12-13-2003, 01:27 PM	#20
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 477 Thanked 515 Times in 128 Posts	Me too?? Carl - you may want to check your system with something like "Ad Aware" or "Spybot - Search & Destroy" - both are free downloads.. (Just search in Google for either, OK??)...