FRAME Differentials

Thor · 04-03-2003, 04:58 PM

Sometimes, I feel like these slight differences are driven into my head by seeing Luger after Luger until "I GET IT" Just noticed the small trianglar shaped flattened area just below the lanyard loop rectangle cut out gore area where the back flat area of the rear frame transitions into the rear grip strap area. Measured on a humped frame Mauser (WWII) this isosceles Triangle area measures 0.8" wide (base) by 0.3" height. Corresponding lengths from an Erfurt (WWI)measures 0.55" wide by 0.15" height. Visually the Mauser flat triangle is much bigger. Just an observation. Yes I know that Erfurt frame ALSO has tons of little crown over RCs on it too! Also have noticed that the receiver flutes on the Efurts are larger than those on Mauser or DWMS and the Erfurts don't have the beveled frame rails on the right rail as do the Mauser and DWM frames. Man.....I need to write this stuff down!!

Herb · 04-03-2003, 06:38 PM

Say whattt??? Ted, you been workin' to late at night! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Thor · 04-03-2003, 07:49 PM

Now Herb, you AINT gonna make me take picthers R U?

Big Norm · 04-06-2003, 06:55 AM

Herb,
these are the little details that an experienced professional restorer like Thor will notice in detecting restored or altered guns. I have a tough time with Kreighoffs. Probably because I mostly collect Imperial Era Lugers. But the restorer that I use can tell in a heartbeat if a Kreighoff has been restored or altered. Trust an experienced good restorer to evaluate a Luger because they DO see a lot of guns and pay attention to small details.
Ya Thor, pictures would help me understand what you are saying. I didn't understand what you said about the flutes on the Erfurt. The flat area under the lanyard loop on a Mauser seems to be more rounded and the Erfurt seems to be more pointed. The rails on the right side of a Mauser are beveled vs rounded on an Erfurt. I never noticed that. Did you notice that on the Mauser right rail, just under the toggle, the machine marks are perpendicular, but on an Erfurt they run parallel?
Big Norm

Thor · 04-06-2003, 11:57 AM

Big Norm, the rail bevel was discussed before and I am looking for the pictures and thread.

04-03-2003, 04:58 PM	#1
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	FRAME Differentials Sometimes, I feel like these slight differences are driven into my head by seeing Luger after Luger until "I GET IT" Just noticed the small trianglar shaped flattened area just below the lanyard loop rectangle cut out gore area where the back flat area of the rear frame transitions into the rear grip strap area. Measured on a humped frame Mauser (WWII) this isosceles Triangle area measures 0.8" wide (base) by 0.3" height. Corresponding lengths from an Erfurt (WWI)measures 0.55" wide by 0.15" height. Visually the Mauser flat triangle is much bigger. Just an observation. Yes I know that Erfurt frame ALSO has tons of little crown over RCs on it too! Also have noticed that the receiver flutes on the Efurts are larger than those on Mauser or DWMS and the Erfurts don't have the beveled frame rails on the right rail as do the Mauser and DWM frames. Man.....I need to write this stuff down!! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-03-2003, 06:38 PM	#2
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Say whattt??? Ted, you been workin' to late at night! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

04-03-2003, 07:49 PM	#3
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Now Herb, you AINT gonna make me take picthers R U? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-06-2003, 11:57 AM	#5
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Big Norm, the rail bevel was discussed before and I am looking for the pictures and thread. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email [email protected] ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

04-06-2003, 06:55 AM	#4
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Herb, these are the little details that an experienced professional restorer like Thor will notice in detecting restored or altered guns. I have a tough time with Kreighoffs. Probably because I mostly collect Imperial Era Lugers. But the restorer that I use can tell in a heartbeat if a Kreighoff has been restored or altered. Trust an experienced good restorer to evaluate a Luger because they DO see a lot of guns and pay attention to small details. Ya Thor, pictures would help me understand what you are saying. I didn't understand what you said about the flutes on the Erfurt. The flat area under the lanyard loop on a Mauser seems to be more rounded and the Erfurt seems to be more pointed. The rails on the right side of a Mauser are beveled vs rounded on an Erfurt. I never noticed that. Did you notice that on the Mauser right rail, just under the toggle, the machine marks are perpendicular, but on an Erfurt they run parallel? Big Norm