Need some Help with a Swiss Luger

Lonestar · 06-05-2004, 01:33 AM

Edward Tinker · 06-05-2004, 01:46 AM

Bill ya get people all excited when you say stuff like that!

Do you have photos, either digital or literally scan it in?

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 06-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Hi Bill,

As Ed has said, we would be very curious to see photos of your piece and accessories.

Typically, a Swiss luger will have a 4-3/4" barrel and be chambered in .30 cal (7.65 mm); yours may have been rebarreled at some point in time.

If your gun's entire serial number is "45"...that would be most rare. Is there a longer serial number which just ends with the last two digits of "45" ?

The serial numbers of all the Swiss luger are well documented in several books...let us know the entire serial number and we can look it up for you...

A 32-round drum magazine (aka TM-08) belongs with an Artillery luger. If this TM-08 is real (i.e. not a repro) and in good shape; they have been selling in the $ 1000 to 1300 price range...so you might want to sell that separately.

If you need help posting photos, send them to my email address, listed below, and I would be happy to do so for you...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Lonestar · 06-05-2004, 05:41 PM

The only numbers I can find are 45 which are in the back and on the side of the frame. It has the short barrel. My father got this in trade during the war from a prisoner. I will try to get some picture so you guys can see the pistol. As far as what I know it has never been touched or changed. The drum magazine does fit it but I do not think it came with this pistol. Thanks so far for the information this helps me a lot. I will get some pictures so you can identify this pistol. I have looked for the longer serial number I just don't see one. The action on this gun is very tight and the machine work is unreal. The swiss really made a nice gun.

I have looked all over the pistol and everywhere there is a number its 45. Its on the back of the gun and just under the barrel and on the side of the gun where the grip safety is and everywhere else its just a 45 stamp. I can't find a 4 digit code on the gun.

The drum magazine which I do not think came with the pistol has the serial 358377 It has the cover which fits over the clip at he tall end of the drum. I think this drum would be nice to find itself whit a collection that used this drum magazine.

Edward Tinker · 06-05-2004, 08:28 PM

Bill I moved your information to this same thread.

Do you have larger pictures? As this is pretty small.

The drum, also called a trommel magazine were for artillery lugers, although sometimes used by other guns, but I can about guarantee you that it was not issued with your gun.

Ed

Lonestar · 06-05-2004, 09:06 PM

Thank you very much for your Help> I will try to scan some more pictures of the pistol. So it will make it easier to identify.

Edward Tinker · 06-05-2004, 10:19 PM

Any problems, or if you want to send me larger pictures, that is okay to the below e-mail address,

Ed

Pete Ebbink · 06-08-2004, 01:22 PM

Hi Bill,

I sent a long email in response to the email you sent me.

Somemore photos would really help us ID your luger...

If your pistol has the old-model, dished toggles, is the long frame model, and is only serialed "45", it may well be the 45th. luger made for the Swiss by DWM in the M1900 run. With such a low serial number, it would most likely have the un-relieved (i.e. uncut) frame for the thin magazine follower button.

Looking forward to your photos !

p.s. Could you tell us if the width of the grip safety is only 1/2 the width of the rear grip strap or does the width go all the way across the width of the rear grip strap ?

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Lonestar · 06-08-2004, 06:33 PM

Pete and everyone I will get some more pictures and send them by email to yawl. I will get close up's and all views so it will be easier to identify. ItÃ¢??s really exciting to get some history on this pistol. I have to admit I am getting Lugar fever. LOL I have a P38 thatÃ¢??s my favorite and I shoot it at the range ever so often. The P38 was a gift from a Waffen SS Major that captured my Father who let the Major try out his knife. The P 38 is the only weapon that my father told me he took someoneÃ¢??s life to escape. He told me of the skeleton ring that the Major wore on his right hand. My father was an Airborne Ranger and was on a mission in France to contact the resistance there. My father never really like to talk much of war and killing so we never really knew just how good of a solider dad was till after he died. My fathers favorite German pistol was the broom handled Mauser which I have [edited by Admin-JS].

John Sabato · 06-09-2004, 11:28 AM

Lonestar, please check your private messages by clicking on the 'my profile' link at the top of the page for some important information.

Pete Ebbink · 06-09-2004, 11:40 PM

Hello John S.,

Please check your PM box...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 06-11-2004, 11:43 AM

Did so Pete... Your answers are on the way... check your PM box.

06-05-2004, 01:33 AM	#1
Lonestar New User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need some Help with a Swiss Luger

06-05-2004, 01:46 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Bill ya get people all excited when you say stuff like that! Do you have photos, either digital or literally scan it in? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-05-2004, 08:28 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Bill I moved your information to this same thread. Do you have larger pictures? As this is pretty small. The drum, also called a trommel magazine were for artillery lugers, although sometimes used by other guns, but I can about guarantee you that it was not issued with your gun. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-05-2004, 10:19 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Any problems, or if you want to send me larger pictures, that is okay to the below e-mail address, Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-09-2004, 11:28 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Lonestar, please check your private messages by clicking on the 'my profile' link at the top of the page for some important information. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-05-2004, 02:00 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Bill, As Ed has said, we would be very curious to see photos of your piece and accessories. Typically, a Swiss luger will have a 4-3/4" barrel and be chambered in .30 cal (7.65 mm); yours may have been rebarreled at some point in time. If your gun's entire serial number is "45"...that would be most rare. Is there a longer serial number which just ends with the last two digits of "45" ? The serial numbers of all the Swiss luger are well documented in several books...let us know the entire serial number and we can look it up for you... A 32-round drum magazine (aka TM-08) belongs with an Artillery luger. If this TM-08 is real (i.e. not a repro) and in good shape; they have been selling in the $ 1000 to 1300 price range...so you might want to sell that separately. If you need help posting photos, send them to my email address, listed below, and I would be happy to do so for you... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-05-2004, 05:41 PM	#4
Lonestar New User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The only numbers I can find are 45 which are in the back and on the side of the frame. It has the short barrel. My father got this in trade during the war from a prisoner. I will try to get some picture so you guys can see the pistol. As far as what I know it has never been touched or changed. The drum magazine does fit it but I do not think it came with this pistol. Thanks so far for the information this helps me a lot. I will get some pictures so you can identify this pistol. I have looked for the longer serial number I just don't see one. The action on this gun is very tight and the machine work is unreal. The swiss really made a nice gun. I have looked all over the pistol and everywhere there is a number its 45. Its on the back of the gun and just under the barrel and on the side of the gun where the grip safety is and everywhere else its just a 45 stamp. I can't find a 4 digit code on the gun. The drum magazine which I do not think came with the pistol has the serial 358377 It has the cover which fits over the clip at he tall end of the drum. I think this drum would be nice to find itself whit a collection that used this drum magazine.

06-05-2004, 09:06 PM	#6
Lonestar New User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you very much for your Help> I will try to scan some more pictures of the pistol. So it will make it easier to identify.

06-08-2004, 01:22 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Bill, I sent a long email in response to the email you sent me. Somemore photos would really help us ID your luger... If your pistol has the old-model, dished toggles, is the long frame model, and is only serialed "45", it may well be the 45th. luger made for the Swiss by DWM in the M1900 run. With such a low serial number, it would most likely have the un-relieved (i.e. uncut) frame for the thin magazine follower button. Looking forward to your photos ! p.s. Could you tell us if the width of the grip safety is only 1/2 the width of the rear grip strap or does the width go all the way across the width of the rear grip strap ? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-08-2004, 06:33 PM	#9
Lonestar New User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete and everyone I will get some more pictures and send them by email to yawl. I will get close up's and all views so it will be easier to identify. ItÃ¢??s really exciting to get some history on this pistol. I have to admit I am getting Lugar fever. LOL I have a P38 thatÃ¢??s my favorite and I shoot it at the range ever so often. The P38 was a gift from a Waffen SS Major that captured my Father who let the Major try out his knife. The P 38 is the only weapon that my father told me he took someoneÃ¢??s life to escape. He told me of the skeleton ring that the Major wore on his right hand. My father was an Airborne Ranger and was on a mission in France to contact the resistance there. My father never really like to talk much of war and killing so we never really knew just how good of a solider dad was till after he died. My fathers favorite German pistol was the broom handled Mauser which I have [edited by Admin-JS].

06-09-2004, 11:40 PM	#11
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello John S., Please check your PM box... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

06-11-2004, 11:43 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	Did so Pete... Your answers are on the way... check your PM box. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*