Navy On Gunbroker...

Pete Ebbink · 08-19-2004, 12:10 PM

Looks like this 1906 2nd. Issue Navy is missing its grip safety...

http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=21908304

Maybe it's a 1908 Commercial Navy...??? Have sent the seller some questions...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Ron Wood · 08-19-2004, 12:21 PM

Unless the thumb safety was changed out too, it isn't missing a grip safety, it never had one. I am sure you are correct about the vintage, it looks like a 1908 Navy military to me. What am I missing that might make it a commercial?

Big Norm · 08-19-2004, 12:49 PM

Its not a commercial with those military proof marks of the left side of the receiver. But it looks like a 1908 with that long frame. I would need some more pictures but on first looksee, it doesn't look like its been messed with.

Another thing that might be interesting is the flat board stock. I couldn't see any proof marks on the wood though. If someone has that serial number on their gun, it might be a good buy.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 08-20-2004, 05:43 PM

You guys are both right about "not commercial"...

Boy, am I glad I am going to the SE NAPCA Navy luger event in TN in a couple of weeks... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Big Norm · 08-21-2004, 03:37 PM

I don't know where this guy can say that his serial number of 7372b makes it a 1906. I have a 1908 that has serial number 3378b and its definately a 1908. I also have another 1908 whose serial number is 3392d. I think that somebody just threw a monkey wrench in this guys machinery. But his added pictures makes this Luger more interesting.
Big Norm

Pete Ebbink · 08-21-2004, 08:56 PM

Hi Norm,

Should there be a 2-digit serial number stamped on the lower edge of the take-down lever...i.e. commercial style stamping...???

Same question for the lower edge of the side plate...photo does not show this area too well...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Big Norm · 08-22-2004, 06:40 AM

Pete,
yes, the two digit serial number for a navy should should be on the bottom of the take-down lever as well as the side plate. People regard this as commercial style marking. But this is true on the military navies as well as on the commercial navies.

The commercial navies will not have any markings on the right side of the receiver. The ONLY marking on the left side of the receiver would be a 'lazy', crown 'N'. By lazy I mean that the crown 'N' will be laying down or parallel to the barrel.

I might add that the commercial 1908 navy (serial number range 51000) may be either a long frame or a short frame.
Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Pete Ebbink · 08-22-2004, 01:19 PM

Hi Norm,

So how does this piece not have those two parts stamped on their lower edges...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

luger11 · 08-22-2004, 06:14 PM

Pete.....glad to hear that you are going to attend the NAPCA show. Bro. and fellow member of the infamouse Cabal has prepared a very interesting and informative lecture on the elusive Navy.
See you there
Leo

Navy · 08-22-2004, 06:34 PM

Folks,

Be *very afraid* of this 'un...lots wrong with it in just a few pix; more pix would certainly reveal more problems.

Tom A

08-19-2004, 12:10 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy On Gunbroker... Looks like this 1906 2nd. Issue Navy is missing its grip safety... http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...?Item=21908304 Maybe it's a 1908 Commercial Navy...??? Have sent the seller some questions... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-19-2004, 12:21 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Unless the thumb safety was changed out too, it isn't missing a grip safety, it never had one. I am sure you are correct about the vintage, it looks like a 1908 Navy military to me. What am I missing that might make it a commercial? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-19-2004, 12:49 PM	#3
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Its not a commercial with those military proof marks of the left side of the receiver. But it looks like a 1908 with that long frame. I would need some more pictures but on first looksee, it doesn't look like its been messed with. Another thing that might be interesting is the flat board stock. I couldn't see any proof marks on the wood though. If someone has that serial number on their gun, it might be a good buy. Big Norm

08-20-2004, 05:43 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	You guys are both right about "not commercial"... Boy, am I glad I am going to the SE NAPCA Navy luger event in TN in a couple of weeks... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-21-2004, 03:37 PM	#5
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	I don't know where this guy can say that his serial number of 7372b makes it a 1906. I have a 1908 that has serial number 3378b and its definately a 1908. I also have another 1908 whose serial number is 3392d. I think that somebody just threw a monkey wrench in this guys machinery. But his added pictures makes this Luger more interesting. Big Norm

08-21-2004, 08:56 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Norm, Should there be a 2-digit serial number stamped on the lower edge of the take-down lever...i.e. commercial style stamping...??? Same question for the lower edge of the side plate...photo does not show this area too well... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-22-2004, 06:40 AM	#7
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Pete, yes, the two digit serial number for a navy should should be on the bottom of the take-down lever as well as the side plate. People regard this as commercial style marking. But this is true on the military navies as well as on the commercial navies. The commercial navies will not have any markings on the right side of the receiver. The ONLY marking on the left side of the receiver would be a 'lazy', crown 'N'. By lazy I mean that the crown 'N' will be laying down or parallel to the barrel. I might add that the commercial 1908 navy (serial number range 51000) may be either a long frame or a short frame. Big Norm <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-22-2004, 01:19 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Norm, So how does this piece not have those two parts stamped on their lower edges... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

08-22-2004, 06:14 PM	#9
luger11 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 149 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete.....glad to hear that you are going to attend the NAPCA show. Bro. and fellow member of the infamouse Cabal has prepared a very interesting and informative lecture on the elusive Navy. See you there Leo

08-22-2004, 06:34 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Folks, Be very afraid of this 'un...lots wrong with it in just a few pix; more pix would certainly reveal more problems. Tom A