Interesting holster

Edward Tinker · 04-30-2004, 12:32 AM

I was at a friends house today and he showed me this holster. It is a definate bring-back, came with a pistol he has.

Overall, not too weird, except the tool pouch is pig-skin?

Ed

Ron Wood · 04-30-2004, 12:47 AM

Stepping out of my element (not the first time I have made a fool of myself), just from the physical evidence presented, the tool pocket is far too pristine to match the rest of what is a very nice holster. Those edges on the leather of the pocket are way too fresh to be part of a '41 holster. Jerry Burney...chime in here.

Leon DeSpain · 04-30-2004, 01:51 AM

Hi Ed,

Don't assume that pebble grained leather is pigskin. From my observations there was far more pebble grained cowhide used by the Germans than pebble grained pigskin. There was some discussion about this issue some time back. My guess is that the pouch is pebble grained cowhide. Looking at the unfinished side of the leather can usually give you the answer. Cowhide will be pretty consistent in texture while pigskin will have a pattern and, sometimes, bristle holes.

Regards, Leon

Pete Ebbink · 04-30-2004, 02:41 AM

Interesting photo of a holster with lots of mixed use of pebble-grain leather :

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 04-30-2004, 12:34 PM

I don't have any photos of it but the tool pouch in my 1941 holster is also pebble grained...

George Anderson · 04-30-2004, 05:49 PM

I have had and have a number of holsters with mixed pebbled leather parts.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-30-2004, 07:57 PM

Ed, First, Thanks for your visits to me at the VA hospital in Denver. They were a real bright spot in an otherwise dark hour. I spent two weeks there and I have to tell all you Vets out there if you need hospitalization go to your VA. Best Hospital and most dedicated people I have ever seen.

This holster looks correct in all respects. The pebble grain leather is certainly normal for small parts on P-08 holsters. Especially tool pouches.

The photo Pete shows of a P-08 with a mag pouch of pebble grain is unusual, not often encountered, but I would surmise that in shops that made many types of holsters such as the soft shell P-38 of pebble grain it would occur to a Sattler to pick up a handy piece of leather to complete an order and if there were no directive specifically prohibiting it, why not?
As leon says, pigskin is different from normal cow hide that has had the pebble grain stamped into it's surface. In a previous discussion it was demonstrated that pigskin can, and did, also recieve this pebble grain treatment and was used on German Military holsters.
Ron, I know what you are trying to say about the apparent newness of this tool pocket but I think it is original to the holster. I took a good long look at it and the edges have enough patina to them and the stitching is certainly 50 years old or more. Oddly enough interior tool pockets can receive little or no use over the years or be worn out completely. I guess it comes from the owner losing the tool early on or something. On my repair bench I remove quite a few of these and a surprising number of them look like new for some reason. I would like to get a look at the metal closure stud on this one. That piece is an important factor not shown in these photo's.
This holster actually looks to be in excellent shape, not worn much at all at the hinge or the closure strap. I would guess it spent the last fifty years in a drawer. Jerry Burney

Jerry Burney

Navy · 04-30-2004, 11:45 PM

Yo' Paratrooper!

You fit for duty yet? If not, gimme 25! Beat your boots!

Hope your drill Sqt. is kicking you when and where it needs to be done. I'd want Ellie on my side were the roles reversed.

Best wishes for a continuing recovery.

Your 173D Airborne (2/503 P.I.R) Comrade in Arms,

AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY!
Tom A

lugerholsterrepair · 05-01-2004, 12:40 PM

Tom, Pretty much...Still have some restrictions placed by the Surgeon but can walk a mile or so a day. Just takes time. Ellie is working me over pretty good, can't get away with anything.

Have been back to work restoring holsters so I guess it will get back to normal soon enough.

Probably won't do any PLF's this morning though!

AIRBORNE SIR! Jerry

04-30-2004, 12:32 AM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,935 Thanks: 2,034 Thanked 4,533 Times in 2,093 Posts	Interesting holster I was at a friends house today and he showed me this holster. It is a definate bring-back, came with a pistol he has. Overall, not too weird, except the tool pouch is pig-skin? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

04-30-2004, 12:47 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,179 Times in 1,703 Posts	Stepping out of my element (not the first time I have made a fool of myself), just from the physical evidence presented, the tool pocket is far too pristine to match the rest of what is a very nice holster. Those edges on the leather of the pocket are way too fresh to be part of a '41 holster. Jerry Burney...chime in here. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

04-30-2004, 12:34 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,154 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,306 Times in 1,097 Posts	I don't have any photos of it but the tool pouch in my 1941 holster is also pebble grained... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

04-30-2004, 07:57 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Ed, First, Thanks for your visits to me at the VA hospital in Denver. They were a real bright spot in an otherwise dark hour. I spent two weeks there and I have to tell all you Vets out there if you need hospitalization go to your VA. Best Hospital and most dedicated people I have ever seen. This holster looks correct in all respects. The pebble grain leather is certainly normal for small parts on P-08 holsters. Especially tool pouches. The photo Pete shows of a P-08 with a mag pouch of pebble grain is unusual, not often encountered, but I would surmise that in shops that made many types of holsters such as the soft shell P-38 of pebble grain it would occur to a Sattler to pick up a handy piece of leather to complete an order and if there were no directive specifically prohibiting it, why not? As leon says, pigskin is different from normal cow hide that has had the pebble grain stamped into it's surface. In a previous discussion it was demonstrated that pigskin can, and did, also recieve this pebble grain treatment and was used on German Military holsters. Ron, I know what you are trying to say about the apparent newness of this tool pocket but I think it is original to the holster. I took a good long look at it and the edges have enough patina to them and the stitching is certainly 50 years old or more. Oddly enough interior tool pockets can receive little or no use over the years or be worn out completely. I guess it comes from the owner losing the tool early on or something. On my repair bench I remove quite a few of these and a surprising number of them look like new for some reason. I would like to get a look at the metal closure stud on this one. That piece is an important factor not shown in these photo's. This holster actually looks to be in excellent shape, not worn much at all at the hinge or the closure strap. I would guess it spent the last fifty years in a drawer. Jerry Burney Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-01-2004, 12:40 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,772 Thanks: 4,940 Thanked 3,124 Times in 1,434 Posts	Tom, Pretty much...Still have some restrictions placed by the Surgeon but can walk a mile or so a day. Just takes time. Ellie is working me over pretty good, can't get away with anything. Have been back to work restoring holsters so I guess it will get back to normal soon enough. Probably won't do any PLF's this morning though! AIRBORNE SIR! Jerry __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 l[email protected] 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-30-2004, 01:51 AM	#3
Leon DeSpain User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Hi Ed, Don't assume that pebble grained leather is pigskin. From my observations there was far more pebble grained cowhide used by the Germans than pebble grained pigskin. There was some discussion about this issue some time back. My guess is that the pouch is pebble grained cowhide. Looking at the unfinished side of the leather can usually give you the answer. Cowhide will be pretty consistent in texture while pigskin will have a pattern and, sometimes, bristle holes. Regards, Leon

04-30-2004, 02:41 AM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Interesting photo of a holster with lots of mixed use of pebble-grain leather : Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

04-30-2004, 05:49 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,529 Times in 787 Posts	I have had and have a number of holsters with mixed pebbled leather parts.

04-30-2004, 11:45 PM	#8
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Yo' Paratrooper! You fit for duty yet? If not, gimme 25! Beat your boots! Hope your drill Sqt. is kicking you when and where it needs to be done. I'd want Ellie on my side were the roles reversed. Best wishes for a continuing recovery. Your 173D Airborne (2/503 P.I.R) Comrade in Arms, AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY! Tom A