Finding a P-08 Today

[Tony Min]

My problem is I love them all. I love my 1916 Luger, my BYF 42 P38 and my recently acquired Remington Rand 1944. I want a Walther PP, A Winchester 1892, a Colt....
It will be a while before I will own multiples of the same gun. If ever. They are all great. My Mosin Nagant, My AK47, my AR15 and my modern guns.
etc etc

[cirelaw]

Florida Lugers Not!!!! By the time they move down the usually sell, give or leave most posessions. They are probly unsure with transporting arms. I've never seen one in a Florida pawn shop! Our last and my last local gunshow here had absolutley none! Ammo and beef jerky!!

[Arizona Slim]

Originally Posted by cirelaw

. I've never seen one in a Florida pawn shop! Our last and my last local gunshow here had absolutely none! Ammo and beef jerky!!

Same here Eric, I have never seen one in either a local gunshow or a local pawn shop. Our gunshow's have few collector pistols of any kind but lots of old military ammo and other types of military surplus, although there will usually be some nice rifles and shotguns.

Lon

[johnii]

Originally Posted by Ajruger

I just have to ask. How can you possibly remember 1958 & 1959 when you were just born in 57? Must have some memory.

Yeah I do. I memorized the Gospel of John and Romans and Phillipians and Ephesians and Jude and Revelation and the three John Letters (I,II,III) with Isaiah and Joel and Matthew (Gospel) and Habakkuk and I Corinthians and II Corinthians in 1978 all together.

I do remember when I was a year old. And afterwards. I have a good memory.

I memorized Lord of the Flies (Golding) and Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury) and The Prisoner of Chillon (Lord Byron) and Tintern Abbey (Wordsworth) and La Belle Dame Sans Merci (Keats) along with Johnny Got His Gun (Dalton Trumbo) and Heart of Darkness (Robert Conrad) and The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius. Other texts as well but you get my point here.

Most kids don't remember before 5 years of age but that is not my case.

So, your point now is?.............

[johnii]

Originally Posted by wlyon

In 1961 I had just graduated from college ( after 4 years in the Navy). I went to work as a Federal Forester for $4040 per year. That was $336 per month before taxes ,health insurance etc. My take home was around $270 per month. Yes lugers were selling for $60 to $80 but that was a third of my take home pay! So take a third of your present monthly salary and you have a comparison for what you would pay today for a luger. Example you earn $60000 per year or $5000 per month luger sells for $1650. Sure I earned more over the years but lugers prices were also going up. Bill

Right. The P-08 Luger is, to me, the most fascinating 9mm and .30 Luger semi automatic to me. It is historic. It is a fine pistol in my mind. I also like Walthers (PP, PPK, PPK/S). I like this focus instead of the eternal focus on a 1911. I have owned a lot of 1911s. My prize is a WWI Colt issued to the US Army. My second is a Colt Model 07810DXS w/XS sights and 3" Barrel (Kind of modern last I looked). I also have the the Philippine Manilla American Classic by Metro Arms Commander (Code ACC45C) that works every time. I've owned a lot of 1911s in .45 ACP and to tell you the truth the 1911s I own now are functioning and accurate 1911s. Wish I could say the same for Springfield Armory but no. Kimbers work. I've had a few of them. I don't own them anymore. When I downsized I went for my Colts and the Thrilla Manilla (Ali) 1911.

I have an open mind when it comes to experimenting and using guns. I only keep what works every time.

The S/42s I have work every time. They are issued military soldier hand weapons. I respect them.

[GySgt1811]

"Yeah I do. I memorized the Gospel of John and Romans and Phillipians and Ephesians and Jude and Revelation and the three John Letters (I,II,III) with Isaiah and Joel and Matthew (Gospel) and Habakkuk and I Corinthians and II Corinthians in 1978 all together."

Just curious...which translation; Aramaic, Septuagint or Masoretic Hebrew for the OT; and Koine Greek, Latin Vulgate, or maybe English Tyndal, King James or Douay Confraternity for the NT?

I'm partial to the Aramaic text of Isaiah from Q4Isa3.

Regards,

Gunny John

[johnii]

Originally Posted by GySgt1811

"Yeah I do. I memorized the Gospel of John and Romans and Phillipians and Ephesians and Jude and Revelation and the three John Letters (I,II,III) with Isaiah and Joel and Matthew (Gospel) and Habakkuk and I Corinthians and II Corinthians in 1978 all together."

Just curious...which translation; Aramaic, Septuagint or Masoretic Hebrew for the OT; and Koine Greek, Latin Vulgate, or maybe English Tyndal, King James or Douay Confraternity for the NT?

I'm partial to the Aramaic text of Isaiah from Q4Isa3.

Regards,

Gunny John

I also can translate the Original Classic Greek used in the New Testament. I majored in pre medicine and ended up in a Seminary, San Francisco Theological Seminary in 2 Kensington Rd, San Anselmo. I had to learn Hebrew and Greek and exegete the texts from the original manuscripts which are Papyri and Alexandrian and historical.

Halfway through the 4 years required to get a Master's in Divinity we had choices to either go Hebrew or Classical Greek in translating for the Ordination Boards. I went Greek.

The texts today translated from the original Greek are dated by modern Greek language but it doesn't change the fact the NT was made in Classical Greek.

If you are interested in my studies concerning the New Testament I can translate the Original Greek language that gave rise to it. There is also the Latin Vulgate for the Catholic Church but the Latin was after the original Greek.

I see you have partiality to Aramaic but Aramaic is just a sliver of a sliver in the New Testament.

Tyndale is a modern translation ignoring the original texts. It tries to make Christians just like the Amplified Bible which is also inaccurate.

Respectfully telling you the truth about the New Testament,

John

[johnii]

PS. The New American Standard version by the Lockmann Foundation is reasonably accurate. However, The Lockmann Foundation took liberties in translating the New Testament that are incorrect to make Jesus a Diety (I.e in the first chapter of John the Gospel).

Another version came out in the 1970s that is actually quite honorable: The Jewish Bible back then.

Another version from the start was actually very accurate: The King James Version (original not doctored up as it has been lately). Yes the KJ version had inaccurate sentences here and there but for the most part the KJV is really rather remarkable in being true to the dated manuscripts it was translated from.

For instance in the Gospel of John: (KJV) "In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God."

That is accurate. However, in the New American Standard Jesus is inserted as "the word" before he should have been introduced as "the Word." The NAS Bible inserts Jesus ahead of time. It is inaccurate.

NASB: "He was in the beginning with God"

KJV: "The same was in the beginning with God" (I.e. the Word).

The NASB inserts "HE" instead of "the same" was in the beginning with God. The NASB inserts Jesus while the original texts say "the Word" not Jesus, in the opening lines of the original texts from Novum Testamentum Graeke.

Read the NT in the original language of Classic Greek and see how many bibles today are not accurate.

[GySgt1811]

Originally Posted by johnii

I also can translate the Original Classic Greek used in the New Testament. I majored in pre medicine and ended up in a Seminary, San Francisco Theological Seminary in 2 Kensington Rd, San Anselmo. I had to learn Hebrew and Greek and exegete the texts from the original manuscripts which are Papyri and Alexandrian and historical.

Halfway through the 4 years required to get a Master's in Divinity we had choices to either go Hebrew or Classical Greek in translating for the Ordination Boards. I went Greek.

The texts today translated from the original Greek are dated by modern Greek language but it doesn't change the fact the NT was made in Classical Greek.

If you are interested in my studies concerning the New Testament I can translate the Original Greek language that gave rise to it. There is also the Latin Vulgate for the Catholic Church but the Latin was after the original Greek.

I see you have partiality to Aramaic but Aramaic is just a sliver of a sliver in the New Testament.

Tyndale is a modern translation ignoring the original texts. It tries to make Christians just like the Amplified Bible which is also inaccurate.

Respectfully telling you the truth about the New Testament,

John

No, I'm not interested.

I was pulling your leg - which you missed - because for a newbie you come across as an overbearing horses a$$.

I've been on this great forum for about two years now. I largely keep my mouth shut, contribute knowledge and treasure when I can, and have learned so much from the wonderful, knowledgeable and friendly people here. Their knowledge is free and deep; they do not need to try to impress or Bullsling the members.

They have made me feel welcome for a long time now. You're most welcome too, I'm sure. I advise you to ease up, stay awhile, listen and learn. There is no need for you to either blind us with your brilliance nor baffle us with your bull.

Regards,

Gunny John

PS. Just for the hell of it, I just happen to be an Associate Professor of Ancient Near Eastern Languages. No one here gives a durn about that, including me. Among other subjects, I teach the Hebrew TaNaCh and Christian NT at the Graduate level. But all of that is irrelevant here. J

[CAP Black]

Amen brother, well said Gunny John.
It's better here for everyone if egos are left at the doorstep. Religion, politics, etc. don't belong on these kind of forums.
We sort of have a common denominator; let's us just be comrades in arms and let the wonder of this group grow and learn and help each other.
thanks for my 1.99 cents.
Jack

[alanint]

I can remember going through all that papyri back at the great library in Alexandria in my youth. Afternoons and weekends where spent shooting suppressed .22 caliber longbows at fleeing Hitites at 500 yards. I began my bow training at three months of age under Bob Smith, Upper Egypt's premier bowmaster. To this day I can still hit a Canopic Jar at 800 Yards while reading the new testament in Aramaic. My weapons were all military and approved by Pheaero, as I will not keep or shoot a civilian bow.

What........a.........loon!

[GySgt1811]

Originally Posted by alanint

I can remember going through all that papyri back at the great library in Alexandria in my youth. Afternoons and weekends where spent shooting suppressed .22 caliber longbows at fleeing Hitites at 500 yards. My weapons were all military and approved by Pheaero, as I will not keep or shoot a civilian bow.

What........a.........loon!

Alanint.

Stop it! I just wet my pants laughing.

Guns

[alanint]

Semper Fi, Gunny!!

[Tony Min]

What the heck just happened. My eyes glazed over with all the religious stuff.
I only pray to Mr Luger...

[alanint]

Amen, Tony.

Nothing much just happened except another rare, occasional arrogant blowhard getting banned.

[Edward Tinker]

Originally Posted by alanint

Amen, Tony.

Nothing much just happened except another rare, occasional arrogant blowhard getting banned.

I prefer to think of it as they got themselves, ejected from the game (and I am not a sports guy mind you)

sometimes I can attribute it to drinking late at night - but his writing was too clear to be a drunkard (no offense to our drunkards here) - and although his writing was clear, he wrote, well, more whacko than even some of the whacko's we have seen.

That took a lot of effort to write all that - and to spout off all those books he memorized. I was not sure of the reasoning behind it? Last week I actually deleted a posting or two, because he wrote on several postings, totally out of the blue, AND SHOOT THAT THING!

ok, worse than a troll, I would think he was trying to start something, but he did not hit the normal troll subjects;

1. Nazi's are our friends, we don't eat them
2. Lugers, even my 24,000 $ krieg should be shot with corrosive pre-WW1 ammo
3. You mods are so full of yourselves!
4. Every luger that is in my hands should be cleaned, refinished and shot
5. Obama (you can put Bushes name here if inclined) is to blame for my luger jamming!
6. people who pimp out their guns are @#%#$

[Ajruger]

I hope I wasn't out of line. I was just real curious how anyone could have that good of a memory? Anyways I could not have any of the replies better myself. I love this forum.

[Arizona Slim]

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Originally Posted by Ajruger

I hope I wasn't out of line. I was just real curious how anyone could have that good of a memory? Anyways I could not have any of the replies better myself. I love this forum.

You weren't out of line at all Andrew, you asked the same question everyone else had in mind. No problem at all.

Lon

[Freischütz]

I'm in the lower-48 right now and stopped by the Post Falls ID Cabelas. I'd never been in a Cabelas store before.

They had four or five P.08s in the fancy gun room. One was chrome plated (didn't completely fill the pitting), and the others were low to middle of the road shooters. $1,199 was a the price for each of them.

[lugerholsterrepair]

$1,199 was a the price for each of them and don't forget tax title and license! Another $100-150!